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> I wouldn't trust the US govt with my personal secrets > I would trust them to protect the trade secrets of a business Would you trust a US business to prote

by noja 7y ago

> I wouldn't trust the US govt with my personal secrets > I would trust them to protect the trade secrets of a business Would you trust a US business to protect your personal secrets more than the US government? Why?

henryfjordan 7y ago
You misunderstand a bit. If I were Coca-cola, I would trust that the NSA would never ever reveal my secret recipe. But at the same time I wouldn't trust them not to read the private messages of my employees for other juicy stuff. America cares more about corporate rights than human rights.
- ptx 7y ago
  That's nice for the American company, but why should companies and individuals in the rest of the world trust this American private/public conglomeration with their data? Foreigners have no rights under American law, from what I gather.
  - henryfjordan 7y ago
    They shouldn't? I don't think I ever made that point. I was only speaking to the motivations of each Government. If I don't trust my own gov't to respect my private data, why would I tell anyone else to trust them? Foreigners have basically all the same rights as citizens under US law. Maybe you're thinking of the NSA's mandate to only collect foreign-bound US internet traffic, not domestic?
    - ptx 7y ago
      Ah. Reading more carefully, I see now that you were saying that as an American it might be better to trust American companies than Chinese ones. Sure, quite probably. All I'm saying, and I guess this doesn't contradict what you were saying, is that for the rest of the world it makes no difference if we choose American or Chinese equipment since we'll be spied on either way.
  - muratsu 7y ago
    Public distrust of American companies doesn't serve the USA when top tech companies have approximately half their revenue generated outside the USA.
  - SkyMarshal 7y ago
    Foreigners living/operating in the US have almost all the rights US citizens do, besides citizen-only things like voting or running for office.

by noja 7y ago

henryfjordan 7y ago

You misunderstand a bit. If I were Coca-cola, I would trust that the NSA would never ever reveal my secret recipe. But at the same time I wouldn't trust them not to read the private messages of my employees for other juicy stuff. America cares more about corporate rights than human rights.

ptx 7y ago
That's nice for the American company, but why should companies and individuals in the rest of the world trust this American private/public conglomeration with their data? Foreigners have no rights under American law, from what I gather.
- henryfjordan 7y ago
  They shouldn't? I don't think I ever made that point. I was only speaking to the motivations of each Government. If I don't trust my own gov't to respect my private data, why would I tell anyone else to trust them? Foreigners have basically all the same rights as citizens under US law. Maybe you're thinking of the NSA's mandate to only collect foreign-bound US internet traffic, not domestic?
  - ptx 7y ago
    Ah. Reading more carefully, I see now that you were saying that as an American it might be better to trust American companies than Chinese ones. Sure, quite probably. All I'm saying, and I guess this doesn't contradict what you were saying, is that for the rest of the world it makes no difference if we choose American or Chinese equipment since we'll be spied on either way.
- muratsu 7y ago
  Public distrust of American companies doesn't serve the USA when top tech companies have approximately half their revenue generated outside the USA.
- SkyMarshal 7y ago
  Foreigners living/operating in the US have almost all the rights US citizens do, besides citizen-only things like voting or running for office.