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Google Sheets was down
- 1-6 7y agohttps://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en&v=status https://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en&v=status
- ccarpenterg 7y agoGoogle Docs is having some issues too.
- michaelmarkell 7y agoSame for me. Getting 'backendError' from the sheets api. data: { error: { code: 503, message: 'The service is currently unavailable.', errors: [ { message: 'The service is currently unavailable.', domain: 'global', reason: 'backendError' } ], status: 'UNAVAILABLE' } }
- leothekim 7y agoDrive is down as well.
- cheapgeek 7y agoGoogle Docs, Drive, and Photos all seem to be affected. Currently have to download my files from Google and work on them in Excel and Word to get work done.
- OrgNet 7y agoclass action coming up
- herohamp 7y agoI'm not aware of there being any SLAs for these services?
- ficklepickle 7y agoI'm hoping that was a joke. Most people don't even pay for it. Did this affect gsuite as well? Either was I'm sure the TOS would never allow it. While you're at it suing google, might as well get a precedent set making TOS unenforceable.
- JaggedJax 7y agoThis did affect us on gsuite. We were receiving an error telling us we were blocked due to unusual suspicious activity coming from our ip. It was pretty misleading and took a little bit to realize that wasn't the case.
- fairenough42 7y agoDid you have retry logic that triggered when Sheets started failing requests? Maybe that looked like a DDoS attack while the problem persisted.
- londons_explore 7y agoGoogle internally use the DDos blocking system to block requests to reduce load on critical systems during outages. (It's common for systems to require reduced load during startup because caches are still filling and user requests after an outage are often more expensive to process)
- OrgNet 7y agouser agreement should be enough, with proper attorney
- Centigonal 7y agoup for me now. Google SREs must be busy today!
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- 9wzYQbTYsAIc 7y ago“ Google Drive service has already been restored for some users, and we expect a resolution for all users within the next 1 hours. Please note this time frame is an estimate and may change.” per their status page about 7 minutes ago
- james_s_tayler 7y agoDid anyone else initially misread the title as "Google Sheets is shutting down"? Or was that just me?
- uoaei 7y agoYou can be forgiven for that, considering how often "Google $GSERVICE is shutting down" appears on HN's front page.
- j-james 7y agoCurrently on HN's front page: Google's App Maker is shutting down https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22160891 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22160891
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- sbmthakur 7y agoSeems like they got it up quickly. But would still love to read a post-mortem.
- danicgross 7y agoAn aside, but what do you do when your Google Sheet becomes too big? I find things break down very quickly (based on number of collaborators or file size), and I'm writing (yet again) some type of Flask-Admin server. Retool (https://retool.com https://retool.com) is another option I've considered. Any others?
- mmastrac 7y agoI had a massive monte-carlo type sheet and ended up moving a bunch of logic/calculation into attached scripts. Far more reliable and less likely to wedge.
- mkagenius 7y agoLooks like you guys are working on some advanced use case of the sheets, is there anything I can look for such advanced usage. Like how people take more out of sheets. (I am using sheets with ifttt but nothing related to scripting in the sheets itself)
- mmastrac 7y agoThe docs for Apps Script are pretty good: https://developers.google.com/apps-script https://developers.google.com/apps-script Start here for custom functions: https://developers.google.com/apps-script/quickstart/custom-functions https://developers.google.com/apps-script/quickstart/custom-... Array functions are weird in scripts, but just playing around with them should help understand how they work.
- davedx 7y agoI'm currently working on https://LightSheets.app https://LightSheets.app - it's going to be a high performance spreadsheet application. Today I managed to successfully import a 5 GB CSV file with ~50 million rows of data (around 10x more than Excel or Sheets can manage). Next steps will be a serialization format for spreadsheets this size, not sure exactly how this will work yet. What kind of limits do you find you hit regarding the number of collaborators?
- tomashertus 7y agoI’m having issues with web version of Google Calendar as well.
- ksec 7y agoI dont remember Google's Search Engine had outages. ( May be once in the past 10 years ) Why is it all the other products, from GCP to Google Sheet had more outages? And Google was suppose to compete with Microsoft Azure or Office 365?
- draugadrotten 7y agoOffice 365 has multiple outages daily, so are you sure that was a good example?
- lxgr 7y agoWithout knowing anything about the internals, I would assume that Sheets is significantly more stateful than search. I wouldn't notice Google rerouting my search queries to a slightly stale cluster in a different data center, but they can hardly serve me someone else's spreadsheets until consistency has been restored.
- chx 7y agoThere was a Google Search outage last September. Eg.: https://twitter.com/iittmee/status/1173772524573908997 https://twitter.com/iittmee/status/1173772524573908997 https://twitter.com/cryptoITGuy/status/1173773323970523136 https://twitter.com/cryptoITGuy/status/1173773323970523136 Not even specific to Google, but a product like Search has less outages because it doesn't require authentication / authorization checks, one search requires very little network bandwidth (unlike say YouTube) and can even work if some / most / all systems needs to go into a read only mode.
- liamdiprose 7y agoFrom Google's Site Reliability Engineering book[1]: > SRE’s goal is no longer "zero outages"; rather, SREs and product developers aim to spend the error budget getting maximum feature velocity. This change makes all the difference. An outage is no longer a "bad" thing—it is an expected part of the process of innovation, and an occurrence that both development and SRE teams manage rather than fear. I suspect Search has a lower error budget than Sheets. [1] https://landing.google.com/sre/sre-book/chapters/introduction/ https://landing.google.com/sre/sre-book/chapters/introductio...
- Havoc 7y agohmm I had assumed it's our firewall freaking out. Got warnings about unusual traffic that looked more well FW like. Drive stayed up for us though
- zamadatix 7y agoSame. Gave me a good sized shock for a moment when I read it was saying the IPv4 address I was sourcing from wasn't one assigned to our company. Then I realized it was just the IP of our cloud security proxy.
- hateful 7y agoIt wasn't just me! Though it was interesting that googling "google sheets down" and clicking News returned 3 results regarding winter weather bedding and 0 results about Google Sheets.
- konschubert 7y agoToo many people enter “google” in every search they do...
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- koliber 7y agoSo were portions of Google Slides. I could not open some slide decks, while others were unaffected. This made me sweat as I was 15 minutes away from a very important presentation.
- m-p-3 7y agoI always export my slides before an important presentation just in case, not gonna get burned by the cloud!
- vmchale 7y agovery disappointing for those of us who like to download 200MB of javascript that pilfers our data just to do something we could've done 30 years ago
- harikb 7y agoWhatever we did 30 years ago didn't allow multiple people to edit content simultaneously. In fact, even today, Office 365 can barely keep up with it. Moreover, there is an entire ecosystem around Google Sheets. See https://www.glideapps.com/ https://www.glideapps.com/ for example. There is true magic (for average joe) that is possible now, mostly for free.
- greg111 7y agoyeah brahhhh get it together brooozooski
- DonHopkins 7y ago52 years ago, people could edit content simultaneously, actually. 1968 “Mother of All Demos” by SRI’s Doug Engelbart and Team https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6rKUf9DWRI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6rKUf9DWRI https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21757797 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21757797 The failure to inherently support multiple cursors by default was one of Doug Engelbart's major disappointments about mainstream non-collaborative user interfaces, because collaboration was the whole point of NLS/Augment, so multiple cursors weren't a feature so much as a symptom. Bret Victor discussed it in a few words on Doug Engelbart that he wrote on the day of his death: http://worrydream.com/Engelbart/ http://worrydream.com/Engelbart/ >Say you bring up his 1968 demo on YouTube and watch a bit. At one point, the face of a remote collaborator, Bill Paxton, appears on screen, and Engelbart and Paxton have a conversation. >"Ah!", you say. "That's like Skype!" >Then, Engelbart and Paxton start simultaneously working with the document on the screen. >"Ah!", you say. "That's like screen sharing!" >No. It is not like screen sharing at all. >If you look closer, you'll notice that there are two individual mouse pointers. Engelbart and Paxton are each controlling their own pointer. >"Okay," you say, "so they have separate mouse pointers, and when we screen share today, we have to fight over a single pointer. That's a trivial detail; it's still basically the same thing." >No. It is not the same thing. At all. It misses the intent of the design, and for a research system, the intent matters most. >Engelbart's vision, from the beginning, was collaborative. His vision was people working together in a shared intellectual space. His entire system was designed around that intent. >From that perspective, separate pointers weren't a feature so much as a symptom. It was the only design that could have made any sense. It just fell out. The collaborators both have to point at information on the screen, in the same way that they would both point at information on a chalkboard. Obviously they need their own pointers. >Likewise, for every aspect of Engelbart's system. The entire system was designed around a clear intent. >Our screen sharing, on the other hand, is a bolted-on hack that doesn't alter the single-user design of our present computers. Our computers are fundamentally designed with a single-user assumption through-and-through, and simply mirroring a display remotely doesn't magically transform them into collaborative environments. >If you attempt to make sense of Engelbart's design by drawing correspondences to our present-day systems, you will miss the point, because our present-day systems do not embody Engelbart's intent. Engelbart hated our present-day systems.
- Vaslo 7y agoI just want to say as someone in Finance who works in Spreadsheets all day that Google Sheets is just NOT a replacement for Excel. All the functions, size, and some of the external tools built for Excel are just not in Sheets. I know some of you say “well of course not for what you do” but there are Microsoft haters who just wont believe me when I say that.
- gcatalfamo 7y agoIt’s not functions for me, you can create them and I adore google sheet for its versatility. But SPEED is the true problem. Whatever non-trivial you do, it becomes devastatingly slow.
- nine_k 7y agoThat's where webassembly could really shine.
- DonHopkins 7y agoThe part of Google Sheets that's syrupy slow is running in the cloud. Each the API calls from JavaScript Apps Scripts take on the order of tenths of a second to execute. It feels like they're all blocking remote procedure calls. And scripts will time out and abort after just a few seconds (meaning they can only execute relatively few operations). So there is a very hard impenetrable wall blocking what you can do with scripting Google Sheets.
- Naac 7y agoCan you list some specific examples?
- singron 7y agoJoel Spolsky has some examples in his talk about excel: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nbkaYsR94c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nbkaYsR94c). I particularly wish Google sheets had the tables feature.
- rossdavidh 7y agoThought for the day: spreadsheets have done more computing related to how business (and government and non-profits and schools) run, than any other programming language, including heavy lifters like COBOL or Java. Can I back that up with data? Of course not. But, having worked as a contractor in manufacturing (three different industries), university, advertising, magazine, real estate, gene sequencing, finance, and edutech, I have little doubt. My preferred tool is python, I use javascript and/or SQL when I need to, I have dabbled in R, I have programmed in legacy applications on mainframes. Spreadsheets are more widely used than any of these, for doing computing that impacts how organizations actually run.
- tehsauce 7y agoWould it be wrong to say that the language which the spreadsheet software is implemented in is also doing computing related to business?
- rossdavidh 7y agoHey, it's all Assembler if you go down far enough.
- randomsearch 7y agoSomething I think about all the time: “what is the spreadsheet equivalent for this domain?”