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Hackers acting in Turkey's interests believed to be behind recent cyberattacks
- mzs 7y agojournalist's thread https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1221837856622153733.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1221837856622153733.html
- coretx 7y agoIt's a shoddy story. Quote: "Our sources told us the hackers had gained access giving them the ability to intercept ALL INTERNET TRAFFIC going to several countries in the Middle East" Way back, I used to work with dissidents/journo's/academics against censorship and surveillance at various countries. All but Turkey where easy because I recall that it was the military being in full control; playing with BGP among other things. This makes the quote a bit awkward. Why would they gain abilities already possessed & put their cards open on the table ?
- luckylion 7y agoIf they had access to the undersea cable(s), that would certainly be different than having the ability to fiddle with (generally detectable and attributable) BGP attacks. My money is on this being similar to the leaks of tapes where a bunch of high ranking Turkish military & members of the administration were discussing false-flag attacks from Syria to have a reason to invade, basically the US feeling they have exhausted their diplomatic channels to Ankara and dropping pieces of intel into the wild to get Turkey to stop what they are doing.
- coretx 7y ago# The "attack" level of sophistication does not befit a state actor. # The Reuters article mentions 2 British and one US security _officials_ # Same Reuters article states that GCHQ and US equivalent declined inquiry. ( Mind bullet #1. ) # Turkey states there has been no data ex-filtration; sources do not mention serious damage on either side. The most simple explanation is usually true, so I think a security firm like NCC group ( GCHQ still holds a stake in them ) is creating waves for business.
- luckylion 7y agoRe "state actor", while reading the headline I figured "oh, they would have called it 'state actor' if it was believed to be Russian or Chinese", but reading the article, they may have chosen not to use that term also because it wasn't MIT but some loosely affiliated patriotic group. Given that the borders between state and non-state are very fluent in Turkey, there may also be multiple things being attributed. Still very much possible that it's FUD/PR, there's likely information, misinformation, PR and news hyping in any such report, with degrees of each varying.
- lawnchair_larry 7y agoYou said the simplest explanation is usually true, then peddled a nonsense conspiracy theory. I don’t think you understand what NCC does at all.
- everybodyknows 7y ago>As part of these attacks, hackers successfully breached some organizations that control top-level domains, which are the suffixes that appear at the end of web addresses immediately after the dot symbol, said James Shank, a researcher at U.S. cybersecurity firm Team Cymru ... Anyone know which TLD orgs were hacked?
- diegoperini 7y agoThe evidence, if true, shows the hackers are acting in Turkey, but I don't see the proof that it is in Turkey's interest. Disclaimer: I'm a Turkish citizen. I don't support what our government have been doing since 2006 except for some small stuff about healthcare and such. I could never vote for the winning party since I was given the right to vote.
- TomMckenny 7y agoReading the article, it seems the conclusion was inferred from the fact that Cyprus, Greece, Albania and Turkish Masons were targets. That those targets are not a good way to steal but are all disliked by the current regime. That several western analysts concluded they were government sponsored and that the attacks were quite complex.
- hiccuphippo 7y agoWhat are the chances the hackers disliked one of those targets and only attacked all of them to throw the investigators off?
- TomMckenny 7y agoCould be the whole thing is faked by an other country. Could be all the logs were misread. Could be the west trying to make Erdogan look bad, or a plot by Gulen or maybe UFOS. But more likely is a regime spewing conspiracy theories so the people can no longer tell truth from fiction.
- notlukesky 7y agoThat is a commonly used technique actually and one to throw off the scent of false attribution. Although no evidence is cited in the article and all the nebulous case is built on anonymous sources. The last disastrous piece on the alleged hack of firmware at AWS and Apple by the Chinese was built on anonymous sources as well and the cyberhacking article was not retracted or apologized by Bloomberg. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-h... Time will not be forgiving to the authors of this article. Maybe Reuters has article quotas on cyberattacks per month and it’s close to the end of the month and they need to fill it somehow. It’s the journalistic equivalent of being pulled over by cops for no reason towards the end of the month so they can issue a ticket and fulfill their quota. And my favorite part is Turkish interests. Is that a couple of script kiddies who speak Turkish sitting in a basement in their pjs taking a break from Fortnite or PUBG? This article makes Judith Miller look like a real journalist like Walter Cronkite. Judith Miller of NY Times wrote stories based on multiple western anonymous and credible sources covering WMD in Iraq. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller
- onetimemanytime 7y agoTurkey has 80 million people and a GDP of $770 BILLION (nominal) or $2.3 Trillion PPP. Essentially unlimited money and manpower--for the task at hand.
- buboard 7y agothat would make sense if 100% of turks were ultranationalists hellbent on spying countries of 10, 3 and 1 million.
- onetimemanytime 7y agoThey don't need 80 million hackers. They need the state to fund hackers from a huge pool of 80 million people. Or just set hackers loose for patriotic reasons.
- nurettin 7y agoA third of this population is underaged for hacking and another third will not be educated above primary school. It seems like a much smaller pool of "hackers" when you consider that this is a land where a large percentage of adults are undereucated farmers and workers are living off of agriculture, textile and menial labour. Where the general consensus is to spend a large sum of your money on government sponsored games of chance, or if you are on the more religious side, go and spend it on magic items and blessings. At any given time you will probably get 30-50 highly skilled hackers (self-taught out of pure chance) and rotation will be high due to getting a large number of opportunities to live a better life abroad.
- blunte 7y agoDefine "Turkey's Interest".
- blunte 7y agoLike Amazon reviews and the rest of the internet, HN is being overtaken by commercial and political interests. Fuck them all; their souls are empty and destined for nothingness.
- planetis 7y agoThe Turkish government is seeking to tap into eastern Med's natural gas and oil reserves, while ignoring International laws and discarding neighboring countries Exclusive economic zones. So acting basically like a pirate and threating each day with war. Let me give you a few examples and you can verify them later any way you wish. In Cyprus the sent -not one but two- drilling ships and research vessels to search for oil, with the escort of Turkish Navy of course. They failed to find gas in one location and are moving to the next. To add insult to the injury they even say they will share what the find, like a thief saying he will sell your stuff and share with you the money... In Greece were I live, there is a lot of up-heat with the recently signed Turkish-Lybian moratorium which basically ignores the Greek island of Crete (as well others smaller ones) and declares EEZ with Lybia, which they call "neighbours" (look at a map please), at the same time ignoring the rights of Greece, Cyprus, and Israel. Also search for the clean water crisis in Iraq, which Turkish government is ...also to be blamed. Basically they build dams cutting Euphrates river flow and DENYING their neighbor's RIGHT for clean water, violating other International agreements.
- planetis 7y agoAlso let me remind you of the war in Lybia which the GNA is loosing, so they signed a deal with Turkey in order to help them win the war
- notlukesky 7y agoWhat is the difference between this article and fake news? A whole article built on anonymous sources. Who are these credible anonymous sources? Donald Duck? And doing a DDOS attack is quite trivial and any script kiddie could launch one from their computer or if they are slightly more adept from other peoples computers. Turkey in fact is one of the most backward countries in terms of cybersecurity (and cyberattacks). Turkey was just attacked recently with DDOS attacks and whole countries Internet came to a standstill. Did the anonymous sources have any thoughts on that? Just look at Shodan to see how vulnerable and backward Turkey is in cybersecurity matters: https://www.shodan.io/ https://www.shodan.io/
- commoner 7y agoAnonymous sources are an essential part of journalism, and Reuters is reputable enough to use them responsibly. > The weakest sources are those whose names we cannot publish. Reuters uses anonymous sources when we believe they are providing accurate, reliable and newsworthy information that we could not obtain any other way. We should not use anonymous sources when sources we can name are readily available for the same information. > Unnamed sources must have direct knowledge of the information they are giving us, or must represent an authority with direct knowledge. Remember that reliability declines the further away the source is from the event, and tougher questions must asked by reporters and supervisors on the validity of such information. http://handbook.reuters.com/?title=The_Essentials_of_Reuters_sourcing http://handbook.reuters.com/?title=The_Essentials_of_Reuters...
- adrianmonk 7y agoOn a possibly-related subject, these three things seem like a big coincidence when taken together: (1) Yesterday I noticed Wikipedia was way slower than normal. Article pages took ~30 seconds to load sometimes. (Down Detector agrees this: https://downdetector.com/status/wikipedia/ https://downdetector.com/status/wikipedia/) (2) Yesterday, Hacker News had a headline Wikipedia was accessible in Turkey for the first time in years. (See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22153304 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22153304) Some people in that thread also noticed the coincidence between this and #1. (3) Now this story about cyberattacks from (or on behalf of) Turkey.
- nl 7y agoThese attacked occurred in 2018 and 2019.
- adrianmonk 7y agoThat's not how I read it. First of all, the headline says "recent". The article mentions some attacks in 2018 and 2019, but it also says the "broader series of attacks is ongoing".
- nl 7y agoOk. I don't understand what the original post is implying then. These aren't denial of service attacks, so what is the connection between Wikipedia being slow and some attacks that started in 2018 and are continuing now?
- allovernow 7y agoSo I'm not an expert by any means, but from what I understand, estimating hacker provenance consists purely of modifiable and/or spoofable circumstantial evidence, including IP addresses, malware signature, and possibly timestamps/localizations within the binaries. All of this makes a convincing story for media and laymen, but surely a competent hacker could pull of a hack and trivially modify the evidence to implicate any state actor/group who's modus operandi are known in hacking circles, no? Which, incidentally, is why I had issue with the certainty with which croudstrike, for example, pointed to Russia over the DNC hack. Deliberately engineering your attack to mimic one from another group is an excellent way to keep people off your trail...and these are hackers we're talking about, after all.
- philprx 7y agoHackers do cover their track, actively. But guess what, they're human and they fail, sometimes, not always. Attribution becomes a playable game once you're a nation state, thanks to many "unfair advantages". ... In the end, many thing gets known.
- lawnchair_larry 7y agoSince you admit that you’re not an expert, you shouldn’t really assume that attribution is that simple, or that they aren’t fully aware of these things you mention.
- stefan_ 7y agoBecause all of these things being trivially manipulated means in the past, attribution was entirely done for nation states to point at other nation states or for scam artists to promote their cyber cyber cyber security technology consulting services. If there is such a thing as "the science of attribution", and that is very questionable, it sure as hell isn't above the noise floor.
- lawnchair_larry 7y agoNo, that is not the case.
- therealmarv 7y agoWe need DoH (DNS over HTTPS) and/or DoT (DNS over TLS) faster and everywhere, including routers, browsers, OSes. And we need to get rid or find a viable alternative to this hostile hotel and airport WiFi hijacking DNS login methods which is essentially the same this hackers have done in a larger scale! We need some alternative and good method for that.
- packet_nerd 7y agoAgreed. The wireless (and wired) login/ToS page redirects common in guest Wifi and corporate environments were never really designed for. They work now by abusing what are essentially design flaws, and they don't even work very well. Another glaring hole in Wifi is that there's no open + encrypted option. Your options are basically open with no encryption at all, personal mode (shared key for authentication and encryption), or enterprise mode (username + password, certificate-based, or similar). The Wifi authentication standards should really be modernized to address these issues.
- bluesign 7y ago’The hackers have attacked at least 30 organizations, including government ministries, embassies and security services as well as companies and other groups, according to a Reuters review of public internet records‘ Which public internet records?
- mywittyname 7y agoI'm guessing they did a whois on the domains linked to the attack.
- nl 7y agoThere's more details on the SeaTurtle attack this was related to[1][2][3][4]. It looks like the new information here is that intelligence officers are confident enough to link the group to Turkey. Previously FireEye thought it was an Iranian group. [1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/hackers-breached-greeces-top-level-domain-registrar/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/hackers-breached-greeces-top-l... [2] https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/17/sea-turtle-talos-dns-hijack/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/17/sea-turtle-talos-dns-hijac... [3] https://blog.talosintelligence.com/2018/11/dnspionage-campaign-targets-middle-east.html https://blog.talosintelligence.com/2018/11/dnspionage-campai... [4] https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2019/01/global-dns-hijacking-campaign-dns-record-manipulation-at-scale.html https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2019/01/global-...