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Once had a daily standup with 30-35 employees, all different teams and projects, and no one enforcing brevity (going down the rabbit whole was common). The whol
by tvanantwerp 7y ago
Once had a daily standup with 30-35 employees, all different teams and projects, and no one enforcing brevity (going down the rabbit whole was common). The whole exercise felt like taking attendance. After the one senior person who insisted on them left, we dropped them immediately with no negative consequences.
- brutt 7y agoStandups are for small teams, e.g. less than 10 members. IMHO, your 30-35 employees meeting with members of different projects is "all hands meeting", not a standup.
- tvanantwerp 7y agoI agree--the only thing these meetings had in common with an effective standup was the standing part.
- JimmyAustin 7y agoI remember the exact moment I decided to leave a job. It was when, without a trace of irony, the project manager said “Alright everyone take a seat, it’s time for the standup”.
- mrbrowning 7y ago> The whole exercise felt like taking attendance. In my experience, almost anyone who insists on synchronous, in-person standups is doing so because they want them to function this way, whether consciously or unconsciously. I also suspect that standups with no active brevity constraint frequently come about not because of a lack of leadership but because they're actually a means for disordered thinkers to feel productive, which I think goes part of the way towards explaining why you see such irrational attachment to standups even among ICs.
- pieterhg 7y agoWhat is an IC?
- jiofih 7y agoIndividual Contributor. Manager euphemism for a cog in the machine.
- baroomba 7y agoSV-speak for labor, really, as in "the interests of capital/management and labor are, at times, opposed".
- redis_mlc 7y agoI think it was originally a Microsoft acronym. But, yeah, IC = prole.
- dasKrokodil 7y agoNever heard this before, reminds me of Idiocracy's 'Particular Individuals'
- MockObject 7y agoWhat is the alternative to being an Individual Contributor? An...individual non-contributor? Or a non-individual contributor?
- jiofih 7y agoManagement and leadership roles.
- MockObject 7y agoAnd they aren't said to contribute? Odd terminology.
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- GordonS 7y agoYou can't have a meaningful stand up with so many people (TBH, I seldom find them meaningful regardless, but that's a tangent...) In large agile projects I've worked in before, we've split into teams of 5-10 and had separate stand ups, with leads from each team having a weekly "scrum of scrums" separately.
- TheGallopedHigh 7y agoI guess a good name would be a meta scrum