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I don't see how the US will get out of the current "corporations run everything of value" situation. Seems like all tools to help fight it are themselves owned

I don't see how the US will get out of the current "corporations run everything of value" situation. Seems like all tools to help fight it are themselves owned by corporations in no hurry to change the status quo.

mofo569 7y ago
I would prefer to live in a society where corporations run everything rather than a world there bureaucrats run things. What to feed their babies is a parental choice and the government should mind its own business.
- bosswipe 7y ago
  Large corporations are full of bureaucrats.
- huebomont 7y ago
  but companies can control that choice, and that's cool with you?
- tclancy 7y ago
  Because you know the right answer for every single situation in life and don't need any coaxing in the right direction and all your neighbors do as well? Weird that you created an account just to post this.
- JaimeThompson 7y ago
  I can talk to my representatives and possibly work to vote them out when they do things I don't like. How do I do that to corporations with monopoly level powers?
  - AlgorithmicTime 7y ago
    When was the last time you were able to vote out a government bureaucrat? Sure, in theory, they work for the elected officials, but practically, it's nigh-impossible to remove them.
- andybak 7y ago
  I'd quite like a world where both were recognized as potentially toxic and held in check by decent people. Your attempt to present us with a false dichotomy is very suspicious. You are either blinded by ideology or pushing an agenda.
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- markdown 7y ago
  When corporations produce all the media that parents consume, "parental choice" becomes merely an illusion.
  - Consultant32452 7y ago
    When China/Iran/North Korea/government controls all the media that parents consume, "parental choice" also becomes merely an illusion. One of the problems with corporate media today is that it's always aligned with the state on topics such as war. "The battle is won when the average American regards a corporate journalist exactly as they regard a tobacco executive." ~Michael Malice
Accujack 7y ago
Well, the ultimate means of fighting involves firearms and things like ropes and trees which are not in the control of corporations. Remember the quote about the boxes to use?
mumblemumble 7y ago
Once upon a time, the kind of lobbying that gets us to these kinds of situations was illegal in the USA. Then a landmark supreme court decision decided that this was unconstitutional. Then a more recent landmark supreme court decision further decided that a lot of campaign finance restrictions were also unconstitutional. The first step to changing things would be to get the Supreme Court to overturn those decisions. There's nothing in the US Constitution that openly declares that money is speech, and therefore that dumping it on Washington is protected by Freedom of Speech. That's (perhaps arguably) an ideological opinion that could change along with the attitudes of the sitting justices.

mofo569 7y ago

I would prefer to live in a society where corporations run everything rather than a world there bureaucrats run things. What to feed their babies is a parental choice and the government should mind its own business.

bosswipe 7y ago
Large corporations are full of bureaucrats.
huebomont 7y ago
but companies can control that choice, and that's cool with you?
tclancy 7y ago
Because you know the right answer for every single situation in life and don't need any coaxing in the right direction and all your neighbors do as well? Weird that you created an account just to post this.
JaimeThompson 7y ago
I can talk to my representatives and possibly work to vote them out when they do things I don't like. How do I do that to corporations with monopoly level powers?
- AlgorithmicTime 7y ago
  When was the last time you were able to vote out a government bureaucrat? Sure, in theory, they work for the elected officials, but practically, it's nigh-impossible to remove them.
andybak 7y ago
I'd quite like a world where both were recognized as potentially toxic and held in check by decent people. Your attempt to present us with a false dichotomy is very suspicious. You are either blinded by ideology or pushing an agenda.
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markdown 7y ago
When corporations produce all the media that parents consume, "parental choice" becomes merely an illusion.
- Consultant32452 7y ago
  When China/Iran/North Korea/government controls all the media that parents consume, "parental choice" also becomes merely an illusion. One of the problems with corporate media today is that it's always aligned with the state on topics such as war. "The battle is won when the average American regards a corporate journalist exactly as they regard a tobacco executive." ~Michael Malice

Accujack 7y ago

Well, the ultimate means of fighting involves firearms and things like ropes and trees which are not in the control of corporations. Remember the quote about the boxes to use?

mumblemumble 7y ago

Once upon a time, the kind of lobbying that gets us to these kinds of situations was illegal in the USA. Then a landmark supreme court decision decided that this was unconstitutional. Then a more recent landmark supreme court decision further decided that a lot of campaign finance restrictions were also unconstitutional. The first step to changing things would be to get the Supreme Court to overturn those decisions. There's nothing in the US Constitution that openly declares that money is speech, and therefore that dumping it on Washington is protected by Freedom of Speech. That's (perhaps arguably) an ideological opinion that could change along with the attitudes of the sitting justices.