4 ms·

Headline is misleading. He didn't 'offer to speak', he proposed splitting the conference 50:50 between Israel and Palestine. Fine, if that's something you think

Headline is misleading. He didn't 'offer to speak', he proposed splitting the conference 50:50 between Israel and Palestine. Fine, if that's something you think would benefit the community, but then should we also be splitting conferences in China between Beijing and Tibet? Russia and East Ukraine? India and Kashmir? Either turn every academic conference into a geopolitical soapbox or just host it where the engineers are and leave it at that.

techntoke 7y ago
Why is in order for us to do this, we have to do that? What about supporting Palestine bothers you so much?
- zchrykng 7y ago
  Maybe the fact that the people there don't do anything about the groups that live among them who intentionally target Israeli civilians like they were legitimate targets? I wish nothing but the best on the Palestinian people and a quick death on all the terrorists who use their own people as human shields.
  - DSingularity 7y ago
    Do you really believe what you are saying? You are mirroring the dehumanizing propaganda that the Israeli occupation regularly pushes in efforts to paint Palestinians as animals who would murder their own children to advance their agenda. The reality is that the Israeli military kill Palestinian children with precision weapons [1] and even with sniper rifles [2,3,4]. But you can just keep believing what you want to believe (or pushing what you are paid to push --- who knows these days). [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/middle-east-unrest/palestinians-mourn-four-children-killed-gaza-beach-n157536 https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/middle-east-unrest/palesti... [2] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/28/israeli-snipers-targeted-children-health-workers-journalists/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/28/israeli-snipers-... [3] https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/israeli-snipers-kill-two-gaza-boys https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/is... [4] https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20191030-israel-sniper-who-killed-palestinian-child-given-months-community-service/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20191030-israel-sniper-who...
- tompccs 7y ago
  Nothing about supporting Palestine bothers me in the slightest. I'm explaining why someone might think a thread about organising a conference about an open source operating system in a city with many open source contributors is not the appropriate place to bring it up. Don't bring geopolitics into everything. That way lies madness.
  - Udik 7y ago
    So would you have participated to a developer conference in apartheid South Africa? You think the issue was some sterile "geopolitics" debate?
  - pytester 7y ago
    >Don't bring geopolitics into everything. A general ban on hosting conferences in geopolitically sensitive hotspots that covered Israel would be the non-hypocritical way to achieve this aim, supposing it is the true aim. However, hosting a conference in Israel is inviting political posturing. Message censorship is political posturing. Using anti-semitism to censor non-anti-semitism is political posturing (and, usually, a form of anti-arab racism itself).
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
bilekas 7y ago
Have you read the letter ? > I'd personally volunteer to give the same talk twice for both audiences. And you've drawn a lot of false equivelancies, leaving aside that its completely unrelated to this topic. The article is about the interpretation of Anti-semetism.. Not litterally where the conference should be held. But seems you haven't read it.

techntoke 7y ago

Why is in order for us to do this, we have to do that? What about supporting Palestine bothers you so much?

zchrykng 7y ago
Maybe the fact that the people there don't do anything about the groups that live among them who intentionally target Israeli civilians like they were legitimate targets? I wish nothing but the best on the Palestinian people and a quick death on all the terrorists who use their own people as human shields.
- DSingularity 7y ago
  Do you really believe what you are saying? You are mirroring the dehumanizing propaganda that the Israeli occupation regularly pushes in efforts to paint Palestinians as animals who would murder their own children to advance their agenda. The reality is that the Israeli military kill Palestinian children with precision weapons [1] and even with sniper rifles [2,3,4]. But you can just keep believing what you want to believe (or pushing what you are paid to push --- who knows these days). [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/middle-east-unrest/palestinians-mourn-four-children-killed-gaza-beach-n157536 https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/middle-east-unrest/palesti... [2] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/28/israeli-snipers-targeted-children-health-workers-journalists/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/28/israeli-snipers-... [3] https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/israeli-snipers-kill-two-gaza-boys https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/is... [4] https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20191030-israel-sniper-who-killed-palestinian-child-given-months-community-service/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20191030-israel-sniper-who...
tompccs 7y ago
Nothing about supporting Palestine bothers me in the slightest. I'm explaining why someone might think a thread about organising a conference about an open source operating system in a city with many open source contributors is not the appropriate place to bring it up. Don't bring geopolitics into everything. That way lies madness.
- Udik 7y ago
  So would you have participated to a developer conference in apartheid South Africa? You think the issue was some sterile "geopolitics" debate?
- pytester 7y ago
  >Don't bring geopolitics into everything. A general ban on hosting conferences in geopolitically sensitive hotspots that covered Israel would be the non-hypocritical way to achieve this aim, supposing it is the true aim. However, hosting a conference in Israel is inviting political posturing. Message censorship is political posturing. Using anti-semitism to censor non-anti-semitism is political posturing (and, usually, a form of anti-arab racism itself).
deleted 7y ago
[deleted]

bilekas 7y ago

Have you read the letter ? > I'd personally volunteer to give the same talk twice for both audiences. And you've drawn a lot of false equivelancies, leaving aside that its completely unrelated to this topic. The article is about the interpretation of Anti-semetism.. Not litterally where the conference should be held. But seems you haven't read it.