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Just hope they don't kill flutter please.

by popotamonga 7y ago

fredgrott 7y ago
they can not..its part of their depreciate java on android strategy on android ..fuchsia OS has flutter by default
- ulfw 7y ago
  Is “Fuchsia OS” every going to be anything?
  - owenmarshall 7y ago
    I always assumed it existed as a “just in case”: if some component of Android looked like it was infringing on patents, they had a head start on a replacement which was implemented in house and ABI compatible with their app ecosystem. Not to mention greenfield OS development can be catnip to engineers - it probably serves as a good retention tool.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Yet they have adopted Kotlin, and are seating alongside JetBrains on the Kotlin foundation.
jmull 7y ago
I would really advise against investing in flutter. It's "kitchen-sink" approach is resource-intensive to maintain. E.g., there's a language to maintain and a full suite of controls (doubly hard since integration with OS UX conventions is a constantly moving target) in addition to everything else you need for a full cross-platform app development platform. Yet, where's the revenue stream to pay for it? I think it's a matter of time before Goggle pulls resources off it. It's open I believe, so it won't just stop, but it will quickly sink into disrepair without significant resources maintaining it.
- Andrex 7y ago
  Flutter is likely already paying for its own development through its use internally at Google to shorten development. The Stadia app was built using Flutter, for instance, and I would expect it to pick up steam internally at Google as time goes on. It's also the primary UI for their next generation OS, Fuschia, though that could be canned down the road as well.
  - sebe 7y ago
    Yeah, the google material people like Flutter, last years flutter conf Keynote was given by VP of Design Matias Duarte https://youtu.be/NfNdXgJZfFo https://youtu.be/NfNdXgJZfFo
- ReverseCold 7y ago
  Flutter is seriously the easiest app development framework though (and still indistinguishable from native apps, even on old hardware, unlike React). I managed to train a bunch of high school students with minimal prior programming experience (AP Computer Science Principles, which doesn't really require you to learn how to program) to make a basically production ready frontend. Flutter support is also amazing, and is easily up to par with iOS and Android except when it comes to certain platform native features (like Apple Watch supports, iOS Widgets, etc.) They really have something here, and I think they know it. Hopefully they don't pull resources anytime soon.
  - SAI_Peregrinus 7y ago
    It's Google. It has to be not just profitable, but take-over-the-world profitable to survive. It doesn't matter if it's laying golden eggs if it's not laying enough golden eggs. Goose for dinner!
pjmlp 7y ago
Flutter is trying to be Dart's Rails, I wouldn't put much hope into it. Plus there are the ongoing political wars with Chrome team (alongside Microsoft) pushing for PWAs, and Android reacting to continuous stream of Flutter questions by producing Jetpack Composer. It wouldn't surprise me, if there happens to exist a Jetpack Composer variant targeted at Kotlin/Native.

Just hope they don't kill flutter please.

fredgrott 7y ago

they can not..its part of their depreciate java on android strategy on android ..fuchsia OS has flutter by default

ulfw 7y ago
Is “Fuchsia OS” every going to be anything?
- owenmarshall 7y ago
  I always assumed it existed as a “just in case”: if some component of Android looked like it was infringing on patents, they had a head start on a replacement which was implemented in house and ABI compatible with their app ecosystem. Not to mention greenfield OS development can be catnip to engineers - it probably serves as a good retention tool.
pjmlp 7y ago
Yet they have adopted Kotlin, and are seating alongside JetBrains on the Kotlin foundation.

jmull 7y ago

I would really advise against investing in flutter. It's "kitchen-sink" approach is resource-intensive to maintain. E.g., there's a language to maintain and a full suite of controls (doubly hard since integration with OS UX conventions is a constantly moving target) in addition to everything else you need for a full cross-platform app development platform. Yet, where's the revenue stream to pay for it? I think it's a matter of time before Goggle pulls resources off it. It's open I believe, so it won't just stop, but it will quickly sink into disrepair without significant resources maintaining it.

Andrex 7y ago
Flutter is likely already paying for its own development through its use internally at Google to shorten development. The Stadia app was built using Flutter, for instance, and I would expect it to pick up steam internally at Google as time goes on. It's also the primary UI for their next generation OS, Fuschia, though that could be canned down the road as well.
- sebe 7y ago
  Yeah, the google material people like Flutter, last years flutter conf Keynote was given by VP of Design Matias Duarte https://youtu.be/NfNdXgJZfFo https://youtu.be/NfNdXgJZfFo
ReverseCold 7y ago
Flutter is seriously the easiest app development framework though (and still indistinguishable from native apps, even on old hardware, unlike React). I managed to train a bunch of high school students with minimal prior programming experience (AP Computer Science Principles, which doesn't really require you to learn how to program) to make a basically production ready frontend. Flutter support is also amazing, and is easily up to par with iOS and Android except when it comes to certain platform native features (like Apple Watch supports, iOS Widgets, etc.) They really have something here, and I think they know it. Hopefully they don't pull resources anytime soon.
- SAI_Peregrinus 7y ago
  It's Google. It has to be not just profitable, but take-over-the-world profitable to survive. It doesn't matter if it's laying golden eggs if it's not laying enough golden eggs. Goose for dinner!

pjmlp 7y ago

Flutter is trying to be Dart's Rails, I wouldn't put much hope into it. Plus there are the ongoing political wars with Chrome team (alongside Microsoft) pushing for PWAs, and Android reacting to continuous stream of Flutter questions by producing Jetpack Composer. It wouldn't surprise me, if there happens to exist a Jetpack Composer variant targeted at Kotlin/Native.