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I am observing increasing number of people is now seriously believe in "Moon Hoax". Definitely more than back in 70-80th. Why is that? Generation of YouTube? De

I am observing increasing number of people is now seriously believe in "Moon Hoax". Definitely more than back in 70-80th. Why is that? Generation of YouTube? Deliberate propaganda?

Krasnol 7y ago
Don't forget the Flat Earth movement. I don't think anything about that is "deliberate propaganda". It's just nutjobs gathering and gatherings of nutjobs creating more nutjobs. It's much easier these days with "social" media.
- WilTimSon 7y ago
  Well, it's also the fact that people have learned how to monetize this stuff effectively. I mean, even the first fakes were monetized (stuff like shocking photos of fairies would be sold, the people who took them would travel the country and speak about their 'amazing discoveries) but, nowadays, you can just write a book about the Earth being flat because all you need to make money off of it is a few contrarian people or conspiracy theorists. Even Alex Jones, a figure so obviously deranged with claims that sound like satire, has been selling supplements and merch. All because these days anybody has a platform and monetizing lies is easier than ever. People will believe anything, especially if it's 'published in a scientific magazine', nevermind that the publication has no credibility, reliable sources, or academic integrity. This is how anti-vaxxers got their start, after all.
- overthemoon 7y ago
  What is the actual social impact of the flat earth thing, though? Is flat earth creating new nutjobs? Does it really have the power to draw from the ranks of the rational, or is it drawing in people who would have fallen for something absurd eventually? I'd be curious to find out what social conditions predispose people to believing it.
  - everdrive 7y ago
    This might not be a popular answer, but I think the hope is that a rube would "fall for" something positive that happens to be correct and/or beneficial. eg, suppose somebody believes in modern physics, not because they understand it all, but because they know this is the "right" idea. This is obviously less ideal than someone actually understanding an idea they profess to hold, but it's far better to have support around beneficial ideas. It's not hard to imagine a lot of important issues fitting into this: support for liberalism and demoracy, support for global warming, support for coherent ideas about vaccines, etc. These all require broad public support, and the truth of the matter is that many people generally don't spend much time evaluating why they believe what they do. I understand this is not a perfect point of view: eg, who gets to decide what the "best" ideas are.
  - DarthGhandi 7y ago
    They have big conferences about it, as long as no one is hurt all good with that, but truly doubt that people aren't being hurt by this delusion. It's an illness that demands rejection of overwhelming proof, it leads down dark paths, much like how arsonists become murderers these things need to be cutoff at the stem. There's nothing wrong with that
- sharot4 7y ago
  >I don't think anything about that is "deliberate propaganda". Based on what? "Flat earth" is deliberate psy-op propaganda to discredit anyone talking about "conspiracies". You're concerned about the health effects of fluoride in the water supply? You're not sure the "facts" about 9/11 quite add up? You must also think the Earth is flat. Ergo, you are a complete idiot who cannot be trusted. QED. That's how "flat earth" works in my opinion. People are scared to use the word "conspiracy" nowadays, as if "conspiracies" do not exist. It's a result of government-directed mainstream media propaganda to discredit dissenting opinion and/or general inquiry.
Davertron 7y ago
OK, but are there actually more people who believe in this now, or are you just more aware of it?

I am observing increasing number of people is now seriously believe in "Moon Hoax". Definitely more than back in 70-80th. Why is that? Generation of YouTube? Deliberate propaganda?

Krasnol 7y ago

Don't forget the Flat Earth movement. I don't think anything about that is "deliberate propaganda". It's just nutjobs gathering and gatherings of nutjobs creating more nutjobs. It's much easier these days with "social" media.

WilTimSon 7y ago
Well, it's also the fact that people have learned how to monetize this stuff effectively. I mean, even the first fakes were monetized (stuff like shocking photos of fairies would be sold, the people who took them would travel the country and speak about their 'amazing discoveries) but, nowadays, you can just write a book about the Earth being flat because all you need to make money off of it is a few contrarian people or conspiracy theorists. Even Alex Jones, a figure so obviously deranged with claims that sound like satire, has been selling supplements and merch. All because these days anybody has a platform and monetizing lies is easier than ever. People will believe anything, especially if it's 'published in a scientific magazine', nevermind that the publication has no credibility, reliable sources, or academic integrity. This is how anti-vaxxers got their start, after all.
overthemoon 7y ago
What is the actual social impact of the flat earth thing, though? Is flat earth creating new nutjobs? Does it really have the power to draw from the ranks of the rational, or is it drawing in people who would have fallen for something absurd eventually? I'd be curious to find out what social conditions predispose people to believing it.
- everdrive 7y ago
  This might not be a popular answer, but I think the hope is that a rube would "fall for" something positive that happens to be correct and/or beneficial. eg, suppose somebody believes in modern physics, not because they understand it all, but because they know this is the "right" idea. This is obviously less ideal than someone actually understanding an idea they profess to hold, but it's far better to have support around beneficial ideas. It's not hard to imagine a lot of important issues fitting into this: support for liberalism and demoracy, support for global warming, support for coherent ideas about vaccines, etc. These all require broad public support, and the truth of the matter is that many people generally don't spend much time evaluating why they believe what they do. I understand this is not a perfect point of view: eg, who gets to decide what the "best" ideas are.
- DarthGhandi 7y ago
  They have big conferences about it, as long as no one is hurt all good with that, but truly doubt that people aren't being hurt by this delusion. It's an illness that demands rejection of overwhelming proof, it leads down dark paths, much like how arsonists become murderers these things need to be cutoff at the stem. There's nothing wrong with that
sharot4 7y ago
>I don't think anything about that is "deliberate propaganda". Based on what? "Flat earth" is deliberate psy-op propaganda to discredit anyone talking about "conspiracies". You're concerned about the health effects of fluoride in the water supply? You're not sure the "facts" about 9/11 quite add up? You must also think the Earth is flat. Ergo, you are a complete idiot who cannot be trusted. QED. That's how "flat earth" works in my opinion. People are scared to use the word "conspiracy" nowadays, as if "conspiracies" do not exist. It's a result of government-directed mainstream media propaganda to discredit dissenting opinion and/or general inquiry.

Davertron 7y ago

OK, but are there actually more people who believe in this now, or are you just more aware of it?