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Installing NextStep OS (OpenStep) in VirtualBox (2018)

195 points by gjvc 7y ago

xiaomai 7y ago
This is really cool. I never got to play with a proper NeXT machine, but WindowMaker was my window manager of choice for several years in the late 90s/early 2000s. I always wished that GNUStep could have gotten more traction on the desktop. I love the NeXT aesthetic, I'm ready for the the next UI design trend to go retro.
- mschaef 7y ago
  > This is really cool. I never got to play with a proper NeXT machine, but WindowMaker was my window manager of choice for several years in the late 90s/early 2000s. Same here, and that's even before I knew about the elegance of the underlying software design. (Which amazes me even more, because a lot of the fundamentals of the software were already in shape back when Windows was 2.x and MacOS was known as System 6.)
- ianai 7y ago
  I wonder if it’s possible given the parties at play to have a retro tech UI trend? I agree it’s sorely needed. So much has been taken away and not given a suitable replacement.
  - cpach 7y ago
    John Gruber recently wrote this: »I miss buttons that look like buttons and clear distinctions between app chrome and content.« I think we are many who agree. Source: https://daringfireball.net/linked/2020/01/20/instagram-for-win95 https://daringfireball.net/linked/2020/01/20/instagram-for-w...
  - zozbot234 7y ago
    It's a matter of perspective. The UI many of us use on our Linux desktops (Xfce) has changed very little from what was current in 1995; the most prominent change has been touch readiness forcing bigger widgets and "header bars" compared to a pure mouse+keyboard UI; and even there the biggest effect has been simply to offset the improvement in screen area (from 640x480 or so to 1366x768).
    - cpach 7y ago
      My desktop environment is macOS/Windows but what you describe is IMHO some pretty solid selling points for XFCE.
    - corey_moncure 7y ago
      Take a look at what's happening with the next version of XFCE.
- squarefoot 7y ago
  A company I worked for sent me along with two senior colleagues to a shop which was showing both the NeXT cube and the NeXTStep system ported on x86 hardware, and the experience was totally worth the early morning (late night) wake up plus following 5 hours train trip; it was about 1993 or 1994. The cube was absolutely gorgeous looking, and being then myself an Amiga fan its Motorola CPU to me was something to be proud of. The demonstration wasn't the usual smoke and mirrors wrapped in corporate speech: the guy wrote some code on the cube and built a small GUI program to show the development system and libraries, then he took the same code, copied it to a x86 machine nearby running the ported OS and built it to obtain the same program. Just wow! Back then running different hardware and CPU architectures meant sort of living on a different planet, and we just saw someone building a space bridge between two distant planets, making software development much easier. We eventually got back with some promo material and the idea that we were did indeed experience a milestone in the IT development, but the price tag was something a very small company could not invest for research alone, so they abandoned the idea. About WindowMaker: I loved it and used it extensively both at home and work in the early 2k. In one project I had to build the simplest possible user interface for roughly 50 remote stations hundreds of kilometers away where the users were mostly completely new to computers, therefore the risk of clogging the support seat with panic calls was really high. Luckily WindowMaker and its kiosk mode came to rescue: I built a really basic desktop screen in which the user could not alter the system in any way, providing buttons for simple tasks like running a browser, fetch or send mail using a client, ask for remote support, print documents we sent through scp or mail attachments, shutdown/reboot etc. An interesting challenge was easing the support login since all those terminals had dynamic IP, and we simply couldn't ask to the operators to start a reverse ssh from their side, but thanks to some Ruby scripts in the background, each remote machine would obtain and send its public IP and some more information to the local server in which a Ruby+Glade GTK app would add them to a list, so that the support operator would click on a station name and the ssh to that machine would open in seconds. In the end it worked so well that the support colleague spent most of her time twiddling thumbs.
  - asveikau 7y ago
    I used WindowMaker for years and liked it too, but to be fair, pretty much all decent WMs of the 1990s could implement a custom menu in the way you describe. It wasn't unique to wmaker. These days it seems like people are coming up not realizing that X desktops can be anything else than what Ubuntu gives on a default install, as if a full DE is mandatory. They don't know about launching a simple wm from ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc or editing the menus in such a WM.
- ken 7y ago
  As someone who used a real NeXT machine, I could never figure out the appeal of window managers like WindowMaker. It's like those Aqua 'themes' for Windows XP. It's superficially similar (more or less) but it's missing the guts. Window managers are an add-on, and consistency isn't something you can get with an add-on.
  - cat199 7y ago
    my wm setup has: - keyboard shortcut for (horiz|vert|global)-maximizing - keyboard shortcut for hide app, miniwindow window - window shading (huge feature) - middle-click select and alt-move of multiple windows at once (so I can 'click click click 3 windows, alt click and move all 3) - plus emulate appicon based on window title this makes grouping windows and managing them much easier than anything else i've found that is still mouse driven
  - kick 7y ago
    Did you use WindowMaker before or after the redesign? I have a friend who swears by the pre-redesigned version, but the new one seems useless (as it eradicates the global menu). dockapps were really cool as well.
  - asveikau 7y ago
    I used to pair WindowMaker with GNUstep apps, which were written in objc against AppKit APIs and some of them had a nice and consistent feel. The WindowMaker piece was a bit of an odd duck in this though, written in C and essentially being a traditional X WM.
  - mhd 7y ago
    This is a bit of a nirvana fallacy issue. The Next-like window manager family wasn't sold on purely visual merits, and thus even just having the window managers themselves provided some benefit. I don't see that as much in the Aqua-likes, as the functional changes are pretty minimal (scroll-bar buttons on the same side, back when that still was a thing) or even counter-productive (keeping all the window buttons together). Back when bowman/afterstep/wmaker came out, pretty much no one who used them was familiar with the NeXt interface, beyond having seen one in a magazine or knowing its look-and-feel via Win95 copying some of it. As far as I can remember, the popularity rested on a few pillars: For one, it's a pretty sleek look compared to twm or mwm. It also had a rather good resize functionality -- big enough handles to grab at the bottom, while saving a few valuable pixels at the sides. A lot of people also like(d) the dock apps that came with it. Even other window managers adopted them. Can't say a lot about general dock/shelf usage, as I never got into that. Window shading was nice and probably introduced into common usage by that family of WMs.
- mattl 7y ago
  > I always wished that GNUStep could have gotten more traction on the desktop. GNUStep is just the programming framework, aka AppKit aka Cocoa.
- amadeusz 7y ago
  You might want to take a look at https://github.com/trunkmaster/nextspace https://github.com/trunkmaster/nextspace where someone tries to recreate the NeXT experience on top of noth GNUStep & Window Maker, both modified to provide coherent experience.
galonk 7y ago
Note that the instructions say you can have either the normal install ISO or the Install-Dev ISO in the optical drive, but this does not seem to be correct -- using the Install-Dev ISO causes an error trying to read /etc/init. You need to use the normal install ISO instead.
- gjvc 7y ago
  This is absolutely correct.
  - boudewijnrempt 7y ago
    Do you also know how to use the install-dev iso to install the development tools?
    - gjvc 7y ago
      mount the install-dev CD and run as root /NextAdmin/Installer.app/Installer /OPENSTEP_4.2_DEVELOPER/NextCD/Packages/*.pkg
      - boudewijnrempt 7y ago
        Thanks!
  - Narishma 7y ago
    This is confusing. Which one is correct? The parent or the article.
    - gjvc 7y ago
      Install from the INSTALL CD. Once is it installed, install the developer tools from the INSTALL-DEV CD.
forgotmypw 7y ago
Does anyone know if there is a copy of WorldWideWeb floating around out there somewhere? Or was it exclusive to TBL's computer?
- wtallis 7y ago
  There's some info about the code at https://worldwideweb.cern.ch/code/ https://worldwideweb.cern.ch/code/ and a github mirror that appears to contain a usable app bundle: https://github.com/cynthia/WorldWideWeb https://github.com/cynthia/WorldWideWeb
- adjagu 7y ago
  Is this what you are searching for? http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/LineMode/Defaults/Distribution.html http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/LineMode/Defaults/Distribu... There is more available at the following website: http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
  - 1_player 7y ago
    The FTP server at info.cern.ch mentioned in the first link is offline :(
    - adjagu 7y ago
      Apologies. I should have tested the ftp server. I did find another source and. I tested the WWWLineMode_x.xx.tar.Z and they worked for me. https://www.w3.org/2016/11/ftp-shutdown/info.html https://www.w3.org/2016/11/ftp-shutdown/info.html
- mattl 7y ago
  It was quickly renamed Nexus so you might wind up using it called that.
jamesfmilne 7y ago
I used these instructions to install on VMWare, although it's pretty similar to the above. It works really well in VMware, including networking. I had to use a static IP as DHCP wasn't working. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVCxfoG8bv4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVCxfoG8bv4 You can download the drivers for VMware graphics, mouse, sound and networking here: http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Software/NEXTSTEP/Developer/VMWare_Image_Tools/ http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Software/NEXTSTEP/Dev...
homarp 7y ago
You can also emulate a whole NeXT via the Previous emulator: http://previous.unixdude.net/about.html http://previous.unixdude.net/about.html "previous"ly on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19084769 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19084769 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8745943 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8745943 And the Previous Forum (not much activity lately): http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/index.php?topic=2642.1215 http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/index.php?topic=2642.121...
- pmarreck 7y ago
  Silly question though, how do I obtain a NeXT Install iso disk?
  - gjvc 7y ago
    https://winworldpc.com/product/nextstep/3x https://winworldpc.com/product/nextstep/3x https://archive.org/details/Openstep4.2 https://archive.org/details/Openstep4.2
Jaruzel 7y ago
Last time I tried this, the mouse was so laggy it was impossible to use. I might give it another go at some point tho, maybe even on a mini-iTX motherboard in a cube case ... for that full NeXT experience. :)
- Narishma 7y ago
  The mouse lag is probably because of the lack of guest-additions for the OS. Same thing happens for Windows 3.1 or 9x in VirtualBox.
pndy 7y ago
Looks more promising and easier to deploy than Rhapsody DR2 installation in VMWare I did once
- scruffyherder 7y ago
  I have a VM running OS X Server 1.0's kernel & userland rebuilt using DR2 for over 900 days! [darwin:~] root# uptime 12:34PM up 922 days, 15:02, 2 users, load averages: 2.71, 2.16, 2.03 [darwin:~] root# hostinfo Mach kernel version: Kernel Release 5.5: Sun Apr 30 10:53:53 SGT 2017; root(rcbuilder):kernel-7/BUILD/RELEASE_I386 Copyright (c) 1988-1995,1997-1999 Apple Computer, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Kernel configured for a single processor only. 1 processor is physically available. Processor type: pentium (Intel Pentium) Processor active: 0 Primary memory available: 512.00 megabytes. Default processor set: 36 tasks, 61 threads, 1 processors Load average: 2.33, Mach factor: 0.30 It's on VMWare ESXi 5.5 ... It's been surprisingly stable.
TickleSteve 7y ago
If anybody wants to try the real thing instead of virtualised, I have two nextstations available for a small fee if you're close to Cambridge, UK.
- homarp 7y ago
  small fee is for rent or for sale? how do we contact you?
  - TickleSteve 7y ago
    Sale. Email in profile.
    - Aloha 7y ago
      Your email appears not to be visible.
      - TickleSteve 7y ago
        updated.
- gjvc 7y ago
  please contact me via the email in my profile.
- TickleSteve 7y ago
  (My email is in my profile) I'm trying to offload them, as they're taking up far too much room in my garage.
  - gjvc 7y ago
    I can't see it. (Is that because I have lower HN karma than you?) edit: think it might be because one needs to put it in the "about" box as I have just done.
AdmiralAsshat 7y ago
I'm surprised we've had several front-page articles in the past few weeks about getting NextStep installed on a VM or on hardware, but nothing on GNUStep, which has standard installers.
- mattl 7y ago
  GNUStep is a framework for writing applications not a GUI/desktop environment.
  - AdmiralAsshat 7y ago
    This is true. I probably should've clarified that nothing about etoile has reached the front page, which IS more of a desktop environment written in GNUStep: http://etoileos.com/ http://etoileos.com/ But to be fair, the project looks like it's stagnated.
    - JulianMorrison 7y ago
      Recent headlines, one in 2014, the rest in 2012.
bloopernova 7y ago
Please, please examine closely the license for VirtualBox before using it. It's Oracle, after all.
- zymhan 7y ago
  Uh, unless you're building a money-making venture on it, you're fine. There is also VirtualBox Open Source Edition that would be fine for this.
choiway 7y ago
That GUI has aged well.
deleted 7y ago
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Macuyiko 7y ago
Very cool -- on a semi-unrelated tangent: I really hope SerenityOS takes off (contributors, supporters), as I've been itching to run some old-looking OS on newer hardware.
- umanwizard 7y ago
  OpenBSD works fine on a lot of new hardware :)

195 points by gjvc 7y ago

This is really cool. I never got to play with a proper NeXT machine, but WindowMaker was my window manager of choice for several years in the late 90s/early 2000s. I always wished that GNUStep could have gotten more traction on the desktop. I love the NeXT aesthetic, I'm ready for the the next UI design trend to go retro.

mschaef 7y ago
> This is really cool. I never got to play with a proper NeXT machine, but WindowMaker was my window manager of choice for several years in the late 90s/early 2000s. Same here, and that's even before I knew about the elegance of the underlying software design. (Which amazes me even more, because a lot of the fundamentals of the software were already in shape back when Windows was 2.x and MacOS was known as System 6.)
ianai 7y ago
I wonder if it’s possible given the parties at play to have a retro tech UI trend? I agree it’s sorely needed. So much has been taken away and not given a suitable replacement.
- cpach 7y ago
  John Gruber recently wrote this: »I miss buttons that look like buttons and clear distinctions between app chrome and content.« I think we are many who agree. Source: https://daringfireball.net/linked/2020/01/20/instagram-for-win95 https://daringfireball.net/linked/2020/01/20/instagram-for-w...
- zozbot234 7y ago
  It's a matter of perspective. The UI many of us use on our Linux desktops (Xfce) has changed very little from what was current in 1995; the most prominent change has been touch readiness forcing bigger widgets and "header bars" compared to a pure mouse+keyboard UI; and even there the biggest effect has been simply to offset the improvement in screen area (from 640x480 or so to 1366x768).
  - cpach 7y ago
    My desktop environment is macOS/Windows but what you describe is IMHO some pretty solid selling points for XFCE.
  - corey_moncure 7y ago
    Take a look at what's happening with the next version of XFCE.
squarefoot 7y ago
A company I worked for sent me along with two senior colleagues to a shop which was showing both the NeXT cube and the NeXTStep system ported on x86 hardware, and the experience was totally worth the early morning (late night) wake up plus following 5 hours train trip; it was about 1993 or 1994. The cube was absolutely gorgeous looking, and being then myself an Amiga fan its Motorola CPU to me was something to be proud of. The demonstration wasn't the usual smoke and mirrors wrapped in corporate speech: the guy wrote some code on the cube and built a small GUI program to show the development system and libraries, then he took the same code, copied it to a x86 machine nearby running the ported OS and built it to obtain the same program. Just wow! Back then running different hardware and CPU architectures meant sort of living on a different planet, and we just saw someone building a space bridge between two distant planets, making software development much easier. We eventually got back with some promo material and the idea that we were did indeed experience a milestone in the IT development, but the price tag was something a very small company could not invest for research alone, so they abandoned the idea. About WindowMaker: I loved it and used it extensively both at home and work in the early 2k. In one project I had to build the simplest possible user interface for roughly 50 remote stations hundreds of kilometers away where the users were mostly completely new to computers, therefore the risk of clogging the support seat with panic calls was really high. Luckily WindowMaker and its kiosk mode came to rescue: I built a really basic desktop screen in which the user could not alter the system in any way, providing buttons for simple tasks like running a browser, fetch or send mail using a client, ask for remote support, print documents we sent through scp or mail attachments, shutdown/reboot etc. An interesting challenge was easing the support login since all those terminals had dynamic IP, and we simply couldn't ask to the operators to start a reverse ssh from their side, but thanks to some Ruby scripts in the background, each remote machine would obtain and send its public IP and some more information to the local server in which a Ruby+Glade GTK app would add them to a list, so that the support operator would click on a station name and the ssh to that machine would open in seconds. In the end it worked so well that the support colleague spent most of her time twiddling thumbs.
- asveikau 7y ago
  I used WindowMaker for years and liked it too, but to be fair, pretty much all decent WMs of the 1990s could implement a custom menu in the way you describe. It wasn't unique to wmaker. These days it seems like people are coming up not realizing that X desktops can be anything else than what Ubuntu gives on a default install, as if a full DE is mandatory. They don't know about launching a simple wm from ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc or editing the menus in such a WM.
ken 7y ago
As someone who used a real NeXT machine, I could never figure out the appeal of window managers like WindowMaker. It's like those Aqua 'themes' for Windows XP. It's superficially similar (more or less) but it's missing the guts. Window managers are an add-on, and consistency isn't something you can get with an add-on.
- cat199 7y ago
  my wm setup has: - keyboard shortcut for (horiz|vert|global)-maximizing - keyboard shortcut for hide app, miniwindow window - window shading (huge feature) - middle-click select and alt-move of multiple windows at once (so I can 'click click click 3 windows, alt click and move all 3) - plus emulate appicon based on window title this makes grouping windows and managing them much easier than anything else i've found that is still mouse driven
- kick 7y ago
  Did you use WindowMaker before or after the redesign? I have a friend who swears by the pre-redesigned version, but the new one seems useless (as it eradicates the global menu). dockapps were really cool as well.
- asveikau 7y ago
  I used to pair WindowMaker with GNUstep apps, which were written in objc against AppKit APIs and some of them had a nice and consistent feel. The WindowMaker piece was a bit of an odd duck in this though, written in C and essentially being a traditional X WM.
- mhd 7y ago
  This is a bit of a nirvana fallacy issue. The Next-like window manager family wasn't sold on purely visual merits, and thus even just having the window managers themselves provided some benefit. I don't see that as much in the Aqua-likes, as the functional changes are pretty minimal (scroll-bar buttons on the same side, back when that still was a thing) or even counter-productive (keeping all the window buttons together). Back when bowman/afterstep/wmaker came out, pretty much no one who used them was familiar with the NeXt interface, beyond having seen one in a magazine or knowing its look-and-feel via Win95 copying some of it. As far as I can remember, the popularity rested on a few pillars: For one, it's a pretty sleek look compared to twm or mwm. It also had a rather good resize functionality -- big enough handles to grab at the bottom, while saving a few valuable pixels at the sides. A lot of people also like(d) the dock apps that came with it. Even other window managers adopted them. Can't say a lot about general dock/shelf usage, as I never got into that. Window shading was nice and probably introduced into common usage by that family of WMs.
mattl 7y ago
> I always wished that GNUStep could have gotten more traction on the desktop. GNUStep is just the programming framework, aka AppKit aka Cocoa.
amadeusz 7y ago
You might want to take a look at https://github.com/trunkmaster/nextspace https://github.com/trunkmaster/nextspace where someone tries to recreate the NeXT experience on top of noth GNUStep & Window Maker, both modified to provide coherent experience.

galonk 7y ago

Note that the instructions say you can have either the normal install ISO or the Install-Dev ISO in the optical drive, but this does not seem to be correct -- using the Install-Dev ISO causes an error trying to read /etc/init. You need to use the normal install ISO instead.

gjvc 7y ago
This is absolutely correct.
- boudewijnrempt 7y ago
  Do you also know how to use the install-dev iso to install the development tools?
  - gjvc 7y ago
    mount the install-dev CD and run as root /NextAdmin/Installer.app/Installer /OPENSTEP_4.2_DEVELOPER/NextCD/Packages/*.pkg
    - boudewijnrempt 7y ago
      Thanks!
- Narishma 7y ago
  This is confusing. Which one is correct? The parent or the article.
  - gjvc 7y ago
    Install from the INSTALL CD. Once is it installed, install the developer tools from the INSTALL-DEV CD.

forgotmypw 7y ago

Does anyone know if there is a copy of WorldWideWeb floating around out there somewhere? Or was it exclusive to TBL's computer?

wtallis 7y ago
There's some info about the code at https://worldwideweb.cern.ch/code/ https://worldwideweb.cern.ch/code/ and a github mirror that appears to contain a usable app bundle: https://github.com/cynthia/WorldWideWeb https://github.com/cynthia/WorldWideWeb
adjagu 7y ago
Is this what you are searching for? http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/LineMode/Defaults/Distribution.html http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/LineMode/Defaults/Distribu... There is more available at the following website: http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
- 1_player 7y ago
  The FTP server at info.cern.ch mentioned in the first link is offline :(
  - adjagu 7y ago
    Apologies. I should have tested the ftp server. I did find another source and. I tested the WWWLineMode_x.xx.tar.Z and they worked for me. https://www.w3.org/2016/11/ftp-shutdown/info.html https://www.w3.org/2016/11/ftp-shutdown/info.html
mattl 7y ago
It was quickly renamed Nexus so you might wind up using it called that.

jamesfmilne 7y ago

I used these instructions to install on VMWare, although it's pretty similar to the above. It works really well in VMware, including networking. I had to use a static IP as DHCP wasn't working. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVCxfoG8bv4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVCxfoG8bv4 You can download the drivers for VMware graphics, mouse, sound and networking here: http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Software/NEXTSTEP/Developer/VMWare_Image_Tools/ http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Software/NEXTSTEP/Dev...

homarp 7y ago

You can also emulate a whole NeXT via the Previous emulator: http://previous.unixdude.net/about.html http://previous.unixdude.net/about.html "previous"ly on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19084769 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19084769 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8745943 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8745943 And the Previous Forum (not much activity lately): http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/index.php?topic=2642.1215 http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/index.php?topic=2642.121...

pmarreck 7y ago
Silly question though, how do I obtain a NeXT Install iso disk?
- gjvc 7y ago
  https://winworldpc.com/product/nextstep/3x https://winworldpc.com/product/nextstep/3x https://archive.org/details/Openstep4.2 https://archive.org/details/Openstep4.2

Jaruzel 7y ago

Last time I tried this, the mouse was so laggy it was impossible to use. I might give it another go at some point tho, maybe even on a mini-iTX motherboard in a cube case ... for that full NeXT experience. :)

Narishma 7y ago
The mouse lag is probably because of the lack of guest-additions for the OS. Same thing happens for Windows 3.1 or 9x in VirtualBox.

pndy 7y ago

Looks more promising and easier to deploy than Rhapsody DR2 installation in VMWare I did once

scruffyherder 7y ago
I have a VM running OS X Server 1.0's kernel & userland rebuilt using DR2 for over 900 days! [darwin:~] root# uptime 12:34PM up 922 days, 15:02, 2 users, load averages: 2.71, 2.16, 2.03 [darwin:~] root# hostinfo Mach kernel version: Kernel Release 5.5: Sun Apr 30 10:53:53 SGT 2017; root(rcbuilder):kernel-7/BUILD/RELEASE_I386 Copyright (c) 1988-1995,1997-1999 Apple Computer, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Kernel configured for a single processor only. 1 processor is physically available. Processor type: pentium (Intel Pentium) Processor active: 0 Primary memory available: 512.00 megabytes. Default processor set: 36 tasks, 61 threads, 1 processors Load average: 2.33, Mach factor: 0.30 It's on VMWare ESXi 5.5 ... It's been surprisingly stable.

TickleSteve 7y ago

If anybody wants to try the real thing instead of virtualised, I have two nextstations available for a small fee if you're close to Cambridge, UK.

homarp 7y ago
small fee is for rent or for sale? how do we contact you?
- TickleSteve 7y ago
  Sale. Email in profile.
  - Aloha 7y ago
    Your email appears not to be visible.
    - TickleSteve 7y ago
      updated.
gjvc 7y ago
please contact me via the email in my profile.
TickleSteve 7y ago
(My email is in my profile) I'm trying to offload them, as they're taking up far too much room in my garage.
- gjvc 7y ago
  I can't see it. (Is that because I have lower HN karma than you?) edit: think it might be because one needs to put it in the "about" box as I have just done.

AdmiralAsshat 7y ago

I'm surprised we've had several front-page articles in the past few weeks about getting NextStep installed on a VM or on hardware, but nothing on GNUStep, which has standard installers.

mattl 7y ago
GNUStep is a framework for writing applications not a GUI/desktop environment.
- AdmiralAsshat 7y ago
  This is true. I probably should've clarified that nothing about etoile has reached the front page, which IS more of a desktop environment written in GNUStep: http://etoileos.com/ http://etoileos.com/ But to be fair, the project looks like it's stagnated.
  - JulianMorrison 7y ago
    Recent headlines, one in 2014, the rest in 2012.

bloopernova 7y ago

Please, please examine closely the license for VirtualBox before using it. It's Oracle, after all.

zymhan 7y ago
Uh, unless you're building a money-making venture on it, you're fine. There is also VirtualBox Open Source Edition that would be fine for this.

choiway 7y ago

That GUI has aged well.

deleted 7y ago

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Macuyiko 7y ago

Very cool -- on a semi-unrelated tangent: I really hope SerenityOS takes off (contributors, supporters), as I've been itching to run some old-looking OS on newer hardware.

umanwizard 7y ago
OpenBSD works fine on a lot of new hardware :)