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One of the hardest parts of learning a language is just that building enough vocabulary so you can start stumbling your way through speaking it. Duolingo, Drops

by Dobbs 7y ago

One of the hardest parts of learning a language is just that building enough vocabulary so you can start stumbling your way through speaking it. Duolingo, Drops and similar are never going to be "the one tool" that you need. But they are a useful way of building some of that initial knowledge to then start reading (childrens books), having horrifically slow bad conversations, and the other things that allow you to learn the language.

graeme 7y ago
Have you learnt a language? Important qualification to comments in this thread. I’ve learnt languages with immersion and Pimsleur. Sadly I haven’t found Duolingo useful at all. The effort to actual useful knowledge ratio is high. Other helpful resources: Assimil, Anki, and Conversation exchange. Mundo Lingo is good for that if they have an event locally.
- jddj 7y ago
  As someone who followed the same method (DuoLingo for vocab, start reading, start talking) and now speaks a second language fluently, I'm not OP but I'll go ahead and vouch for their comment.
  - graeme 7y ago
    Great! Did you complete the tree, or just do some then switch to reading and talking?
    - jddj 7y ago
      Completed the tree, but admittedly it was shorter back then. I also did it in parallel with the Language Transfer podcast, which I've mentioned on HN before but is an amazing resource for understanding how a new language works structurally and grammatically. I did find Duolingo valuable, but purely for vocab.
- Fnoord 7y ago
  Anki is great for learning (and allows the same spaced repetition), and AnkiWeb allows proper synchronization, but you gotta maintain and build your own deck (which itself aids you, but is a lot of work with things like pronunciation) or use another amateur's build deck. The power of Duolingo is that it reuses SVG artwork, and that the TTS engine plus voice sets work reasonably well.

by Dobbs 7y ago

graeme 7y ago

Have you learnt a language? Important qualification to comments in this thread. I’ve learnt languages with immersion and Pimsleur. Sadly I haven’t found Duolingo useful at all. The effort to actual useful knowledge ratio is high. Other helpful resources: Assimil, Anki, and Conversation exchange. Mundo Lingo is good for that if they have an event locally.

jddj 7y ago
As someone who followed the same method (DuoLingo for vocab, start reading, start talking) and now speaks a second language fluently, I'm not OP but I'll go ahead and vouch for their comment.
- graeme 7y ago
  Great! Did you complete the tree, or just do some then switch to reading and talking?
  - jddj 7y ago
    Completed the tree, but admittedly it was shorter back then. I also did it in parallel with the Language Transfer podcast, which I've mentioned on HN before but is an amazing resource for understanding how a new language works structurally and grammatically. I did find Duolingo valuable, but purely for vocab.
Fnoord 7y ago
Anki is great for learning (and allows the same spaced repetition), and AnkiWeb allows proper synchronization, but you gotta maintain and build your own deck (which itself aids you, but is a lot of work with things like pronunciation) or use another amateur's build deck. The power of Duolingo is that it reuses SVG artwork, and that the TTS engine plus voice sets work reasonably well.