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Very good, and also hilarious in parts. I gained a lot of respect for the WSJ's editorial department; Carreyrou was investigating fraud at the same time the WSJ

Very good, and also hilarious in parts. I gained a lot of respect for the WSJ's editorial department; Carreyrou was investigating fraud at the same time the WSJ was writing glowing pieces about Elizabeth Holmes as a founder.

Waterluvian 7y ago
Real deep investigative journalism is a beautiful thing when you see it in action. We need to treasure it and fund it. Makes me think it needs to be separate from mainstream media in some way.
- Terretta 7y ago
  It's a shame the words "real", "deep", and "investigative" are needed. Used to just be "journalism".
  - Waterluvian 7y ago
    Precisely why my brain immediately went to, "we need to get this far away from today's media industry..." after feeling the necessity of writing that
  - lazyasciiart 7y ago
    No, it never did. Journalism has always included simply gathering and publishing fairly superficial news. It doesn't take any investigation to let people know about decisions made at a recent school board meeting, or that the local fair is coming up and Little Tommy will enter his pig in the 'best pet' competition, and it only takes a small amount of investigation to learn that the school board decision was heavily driven by the supervisor's experience in his previous district - but that doesn't make it unimportant, and the reliable recording of basic local facts is incredibly important to those 'deep investigative' journalists.
  - blaser-waffle 7y ago
    > Used to just be "journalism" Bollocks. Look up the phrase "yellow journalism" and "muckraker". If anything there was more of an incentive to lie like a mofo because, outside of word-of-mouth, the only source of news was a newspaper. Nowadays you're saturated with data, but you can turn it off, or dig for something that represents an alternative viewpoint. But in 1910 your only source of "truth" was what William Randolph Hearst said it was. See also: the Spanish-American War, Fatty Arbuckle's trial, and "Rosebud"
paxys 7y ago
And Rupert Murdoch decided to trust his journalists and didn't shut down the investigation despite Holmes's repeated requests even though he had a large personal investment in Theranos.
- crimsonalucard 7y ago
  So strange given the fact that he owns fox news. I wonder about how he runs these companies.
  - whatshisface 7y ago
    It's not in an investor's interest to be ignorant about problems with their investment.
    - crimsonalucard 7y ago
      That's my question. Is he just avoiding the problem? Is the problem irrelevant to him and he just wants to run a business? Did he create the culture in Fox deliberately?
- bruceb 7y ago
  Not a hard decision his media empire is worth a lot more than losing some money on Theranos. Hardly an act of courage.
- heedlessly3 7y ago
  His personal investment in Theranos was never going to pan out. Regardless of how he acted w/ his journalists.
goatinaboat 7y ago
was investigating fraud at the same time the WSJ was writing glowing pieces about Elizabeth Holmes as a founder. In Catch & Kill Ronan Farrow is investigating Harvey Weinstein under the noses of NBC executives who are all friends of his and colluding to cover it up. An excellent book.

Waterluvian 7y ago

Real deep investigative journalism is a beautiful thing when you see it in action. We need to treasure it and fund it. Makes me think it needs to be separate from mainstream media in some way.

Terretta 7y ago
It's a shame the words "real", "deep", and "investigative" are needed. Used to just be "journalism".
- Waterluvian 7y ago
  Precisely why my brain immediately went to, "we need to get this far away from today's media industry..." after feeling the necessity of writing that
- lazyasciiart 7y ago
  No, it never did. Journalism has always included simply gathering and publishing fairly superficial news. It doesn't take any investigation to let people know about decisions made at a recent school board meeting, or that the local fair is coming up and Little Tommy will enter his pig in the 'best pet' competition, and it only takes a small amount of investigation to learn that the school board decision was heavily driven by the supervisor's experience in his previous district - but that doesn't make it unimportant, and the reliable recording of basic local facts is incredibly important to those 'deep investigative' journalists.
- blaser-waffle 7y ago
  > Used to just be "journalism" Bollocks. Look up the phrase "yellow journalism" and "muckraker". If anything there was more of an incentive to lie like a mofo because, outside of word-of-mouth, the only source of news was a newspaper. Nowadays you're saturated with data, but you can turn it off, or dig for something that represents an alternative viewpoint. But in 1910 your only source of "truth" was what William Randolph Hearst said it was. See also: the Spanish-American War, Fatty Arbuckle's trial, and "Rosebud"

paxys 7y ago

And Rupert Murdoch decided to trust his journalists and didn't shut down the investigation despite Holmes's repeated requests even though he had a large personal investment in Theranos.

crimsonalucard 7y ago
So strange given the fact that he owns fox news. I wonder about how he runs these companies.
- whatshisface 7y ago
  It's not in an investor's interest to be ignorant about problems with their investment.
  - crimsonalucard 7y ago
    That's my question. Is he just avoiding the problem? Is the problem irrelevant to him and he just wants to run a business? Did he create the culture in Fox deliberately?
bruceb 7y ago
Not a hard decision his media empire is worth a lot more than losing some money on Theranos. Hardly an act of courage.
heedlessly3 7y ago
His personal investment in Theranos was never going to pan out. Regardless of how he acted w/ his journalists.

goatinaboat 7y ago

was investigating fraud at the same time the WSJ was writing glowing pieces about Elizabeth Holmes as a founder. In Catch & Kill Ronan Farrow is investigating Harvey Weinstein under the noses of NBC executives who are all friends of his and colluding to cover it up. An excellent book.