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Sounds more somewhat convenient than damn useful. For me adding a handful more companies to the pool of tracking my every move doesn't seem like a great trade-o

Sounds more somewhat convenient than damn useful. For me adding a handful more companies to the pool of tracking my every move doesn't seem like a great trade-off for the experience of not having to turn off the lights. Also what happens when you come home and sketchy IoT startup X has gone bankrupt/their DB crashed and your deadbolt servers are down.

jnordwick 7y ago
what happens if your car battery decides to stop working? i'll take my horse anyday. yawn. all luddites make similar arguments
- dasil003 7y ago
  The convenience differential of car vs horse is fundamentally different from most smart home stuff, to say nothing of security, reliability and planned obsolescence issues presented by many of these devices as currently designed.
  - jnordwick 7y ago
    Now, but not when it was invented and first came out. When the car was invented it was barely more useful than a horse and for many jobs horses were still used. Give all the home automaton time and I guarantee it fill far pass what it does now. Not a single argument you have is unique in either product or time. EVERYTHING you say was said of cars or many other technologies before this. Horses were way more reliable, parts were specially made (talk about lock in), and there was obsolescence there too. It is absurd to think "but this time its different" and you somehow have hit some good enough level of technology in this area.
    - monadgonad 7y ago
      You're mistaking people saying they don't want smart home devices now for them saying that they'll never work ever. When cars were new, horses were indeed better for most people.
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- chipotle_coyote 7y ago
  You can make all your smartass sassy comments about those cavemen using $30 thermostats, but until the industry behind your spiffy $300 smart thermostat is forced to get its act together, you are way, way more likely than the cavemen to wake up to a dead climate control system because you missed the "Thank you for going on our wonderful journey with us, your thermostat is now a paperweight" email your manufacturer sent three months ago. Observing that this is a problem with the smart home industry in its current state is not some kind of crazy Luddite "you kids with your fancy calculators and automatic transmissions" ranting.
  - jnordwick 7y ago
    saying that there are issues around maintenance is not a luddite argument, and i even grant that this is a problem. the real luddite argument i keep seeing this supposed tech site are: stereos should have 2 wire and thats it, that there is no reason you could want to network all these gadgets together, it may break right when you need it (literally applicable to everything), etc. those are just all "im scare of tech and change" arguments that have been about almost every new device created.

jnordwick 7y ago

what happens if your car battery decides to stop working? i'll take my horse anyday. yawn. all luddites make similar arguments

dasil003 7y ago
The convenience differential of car vs horse is fundamentally different from most smart home stuff, to say nothing of security, reliability and planned obsolescence issues presented by many of these devices as currently designed.
- jnordwick 7y ago
  Now, but not when it was invented and first came out. When the car was invented it was barely more useful than a horse and for many jobs horses were still used. Give all the home automaton time and I guarantee it fill far pass what it does now. Not a single argument you have is unique in either product or time. EVERYTHING you say was said of cars or many other technologies before this. Horses were way more reliable, parts were specially made (talk about lock in), and there was obsolescence there too. It is absurd to think "but this time its different" and you somehow have hit some good enough level of technology in this area.
  - monadgonad 7y ago
    You're mistaking people saying they don't want smart home devices now for them saying that they'll never work ever. When cars were new, horses were indeed better for most people.
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chipotle_coyote 7y ago
You can make all your smartass sassy comments about those cavemen using $30 thermostats, but until the industry behind your spiffy $300 smart thermostat is forced to get its act together, you are way, way more likely than the cavemen to wake up to a dead climate control system because you missed the "Thank you for going on our wonderful journey with us, your thermostat is now a paperweight" email your manufacturer sent three months ago. Observing that this is a problem with the smart home industry in its current state is not some kind of crazy Luddite "you kids with your fancy calculators and automatic transmissions" ranting.
- jnordwick 7y ago
  saying that there are issues around maintenance is not a luddite argument, and i even grant that this is a problem. the real luddite argument i keep seeing this supposed tech site are: stereos should have 2 wire and thats it, that there is no reason you could want to network all these gadgets together, it may break right when you need it (literally applicable to everything), etc. those are just all "im scare of tech and change" arguments that have been about almost every new device created.