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i think this nightline trend is largely pointless. there isnt much traffic between these aside of a bunch of tourists. but that doesn't mean i wouldn't use it,

i think this nightline trend is largely pointless. there isnt much traffic between these aside of a bunch of tourists. but that doesn't mean i wouldn't use it, once or twice. scandinavia is the kind of place i like to hate for trying to be better than everywhere, but would like to see anyway, just in case i am wrong and it actually is. what we do need is high speed infrastructure to more cities and metro lines in more cities if we want to improve accessibility. Edit: having actually read the thing, i see this is an extension of an hsl line to groningen. i'd love to see that line happen. and if the night train becomes an hsl as well, maybe the project isn't quite so doomed from the start. after all, a one hour trip on the hsl would make commuting between amsterdam and up to Bremen possible.

elric 7y ago
You might enjoy reading these articles about how high speed rail is detrimental to the European rail network. 1. https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2013/12/high-speed-trains-are-killing-the-european-railway-network.html https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2013/12/high-speed-trains-ar... 2. https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2013/12/high-speed-trains-are-not-sustainable.html https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2013/12/high-speed-trains-ar... Sleeper trains are the best in my opinion. You board, shut your eyes, and when you wake up, you've arrived. No wasted time. A lot cheaper and a lot more pleasant than this "high speed" malarky. Especially now that "high speed" has come to equate "invasive security checks".
- timwaagh 7y ago
  your opinion is not the only possible opinion. I used the hsl to paris once. it was amazing. In three hours i was home and could go on with my life. a plane would not have been faster. paris is a little bit too far to commute these days but one would imagine people will use it to commute to brussels. that's also the real weakness of sleeper trains: they are only useful for tourists. whereas most trains are being used for home-work commute.
eCa 7y ago
Night trains generally don't do high speed due to comfort issues. Once the fixed link across Fehmarn is completed I would guestimate the travel time between Amsterdam and Stockholm to be about 12 hours or so, perfect for dinner on the train and then a good night's sleep. Also, if the scheduling of the train is properly constructed, I would assume quite a few people from Finland, Sweden and Denmark working in Brussels would take that train regularly. "scandinavia is the kind of place i like to hate for trying to be better than everywhere" I think you might enjoy reading[1] :) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante
- timwaagh 7y ago
  i did travel by sleeping bus. it was doable but no fun. sleeping on a moving vehicle is not something that will work for everyone. some people can, some can't. there's a reason these faded out of existence in the airplane age. besides, it remains somewhat of a gimmick that is completely outside of the core business of rail transport: transporting commuters.

elric 7y ago

You might enjoy reading these articles about how high speed rail is detrimental to the European rail network. 1. https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2013/12/high-speed-trains-are-killing-the-european-railway-network.html https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2013/12/high-speed-trains-ar... 2. https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2013/12/high-speed-trains-are-not-sustainable.html https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2013/12/high-speed-trains-ar... Sleeper trains are the best in my opinion. You board, shut your eyes, and when you wake up, you've arrived. No wasted time. A lot cheaper and a lot more pleasant than this "high speed" malarky. Especially now that "high speed" has come to equate "invasive security checks".

timwaagh 7y ago
your opinion is not the only possible opinion. I used the hsl to paris once. it was amazing. In three hours i was home and could go on with my life. a plane would not have been faster. paris is a little bit too far to commute these days but one would imagine people will use it to commute to brussels. that's also the real weakness of sleeper trains: they are only useful for tourists. whereas most trains are being used for home-work commute.

eCa 7y ago

Night trains generally don't do high speed due to comfort issues. Once the fixed link across Fehmarn is completed I would guestimate the travel time between Amsterdam and Stockholm to be about 12 hours or so, perfect for dinner on the train and then a good night's sleep. Also, if the scheduling of the train is properly constructed, I would assume quite a few people from Finland, Sweden and Denmark working in Brussels would take that train regularly. "scandinavia is the kind of place i like to hate for trying to be better than everywhere" I think you might enjoy reading[1] :) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante

timwaagh 7y ago
i did travel by sleeping bus. it was doable but no fun. sleeping on a moving vehicle is not something that will work for everyone. some people can, some can't. there's a reason these faded out of existence in the airplane age. besides, it remains somewhat of a gimmick that is completely outside of the core business of rail transport: transporting commuters.