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Inspection and certification programs don't need to be government run to be effective. Kosher certification programs are the first example that comes to mind.

Inspection and certification programs don't need to be government run to be effective. Kosher certification programs are the first example that comes to mind. I'm just trying to say you can argue for more, better inspections without having to argue for "big government".

wbl 7y ago
Kosher certification has a bunch of complexities. There are several big national certification authorities, but they have different standards, with Tablet-K accepting some things in the realm of cheese production others don't. Some small local hechshers provide more supervision then the national chains, but piggyback for the tough halachic questions. And then there is the whole milk thing, where kashrut organizations have largely said that the FDA is enforcing the rule better then they can, so they won't bother, but some consumers don't think this is good enough. There is also a controversy over slaughterhouse conditions brought to light when a kosher slaughterhouse was raided by the agriculture department for health violations.
75dvtwin 7y ago
I agree with you as well. I think country-wide, there need to be, usually, 3-bodied system of inspection/certification (whether it is financial organizations, law firms, doctors, educational or food suppliers.. ). one organization should be multi-state collaboration of supervision & certification. The other should be industry collaboration of supervision & certification. And 3rd -- is academia-powered. Any business claiming to have certificate in something needs to strive to get it from all 3. 2 out 3 may be acceptable, and 1 out of 3 is not. This model would prevent corruption that more likely occurred in single-bodied systems.
- horomeme 7y ago
  The industry org will hollow the others into facades. Proxies for public relations in service of the heads of industry. Happens every time. But kudos for going full anti-democracy from the start.
  - AdrianB1 7y ago
    What does this have to do with democracy, pro- or anti-?

wbl 7y ago

Kosher certification has a bunch of complexities. There are several big national certification authorities, but they have different standards, with Tablet-K accepting some things in the realm of cheese production others don't. Some small local hechshers provide more supervision then the national chains, but piggyback for the tough halachic questions. And then there is the whole milk thing, where kashrut organizations have largely said that the FDA is enforcing the rule better then they can, so they won't bother, but some consumers don't think this is good enough. There is also a controversy over slaughterhouse conditions brought to light when a kosher slaughterhouse was raided by the agriculture department for health violations.

75dvtwin 7y ago

I agree with you as well. I think country-wide, there need to be, usually, 3-bodied system of inspection/certification (whether it is financial organizations, law firms, doctors, educational or food suppliers.. ). one organization should be multi-state collaboration of supervision & certification. The other should be industry collaboration of supervision & certification. And 3rd -- is academia-powered. Any business claiming to have certificate in something needs to strive to get it from all 3. 2 out 3 may be acceptable, and 1 out of 3 is not. This model would prevent corruption that more likely occurred in single-bodied systems.

horomeme 7y ago
The industry org will hollow the others into facades. Proxies for public relations in service of the heads of industry. Happens every time. But kudos for going full anti-democracy from the start.
- AdrianB1 7y ago
  What does this have to do with democracy, pro- or anti-?