4 ms·

I find this disgusting. You’re trying to justify theft, which isn’t what the article is about.

paulie_a 7y ago
I'm not trying to justify theft. I know it's illegal and morally wrong. I just don't give a shit. The copywriters are going to do that they do. I'm going to do what I do with no guilt felt
- Brave-Steak 7y ago
  > morally wrong Debatable. There are plenty of situations where I feel I'm morally justified in pirating things. When my values tell me that companies shouldn't be able to profit off of something they made 20-30 years ago, then I have no moral qualms in downloading a ROM of a game for a console that isn't made anymore. Regardless of whether "remasters" or "ports" exist or not. Because in an ideal world, that wouldn't result in an eternal extension in copyright.
  - paulie_a 7y ago
    Sure it's debatable. But at the end of the day I really don't care about copyright anymore. The concept can basically die in a dumpster fire as far as I'm concerned
    - hedora 7y ago
      Paying to perpetuate a corrupt system is immoral. These days, I pay a pittance for streaming (lazy), but buy albums directly from artists. (As in I hand over cash at concert venues) Perhaps it should be illegal for artists to sign away their own copyright/distribution rights. Exclusive licensing would still be fine. Then, artists could sell albums direct to the public. The distributors would have to keep their cut low enough to account for competition from artists undercutting them via direct sales.
      - paulie_a 7y ago
        We already have laws protecting minors from getting screwed over via their parents. why not a low that prevents you from selling all rights away for your intellectual property.
- Tainnor 7y ago
  I mean, we can debate about copyright and its ethics for days, but if you say "I know it's immoral but I do it anyway" then... you're just not a very ethical person.
  - paulie_a 7y ago
    I treat it like speeding. I go five over. For that I'm also unethical. I also occasionally jwalk when there is no traffic. I'm breaking the law there too. Those minor infractions must make me unethical also. I can't justify either of those things either. I simply don't give a shit, copyright is just a minor and unimportant infraction. How many laws are you going to break today?
Fire-Dragon-DoL 7y ago
What about this: I want to buy a book in my mother language (Italian), but I live in Canada. The rights for the italian translation have not been purchased by anyone in Canada, so I cannot buy it here (the book is sold only in English). To buy the italian book though, I need to buy it from. Italy, using an italian address for billing. This is illegal, since I live in Canada and have no italian address. Lying on an official document can be punished with 2 years incarceration. So my only option to buy such book is traveling to Italy and buy it in a physical shop. Great for pollution, and sets the book price at something insane. Alternatively, I can pirate it.
NeedMoreTea 7y ago
Piracy is not theft, it is copyright infringement. If I steal your car, you no longer have a car and are deprived of the benefits. If I pirate your book, you are deprived of the vague possibility of some income from me -- there's no guarantee I would have bought your book if I could afford it, and there was no possibility of piracy. You still have the book though. Then there's the whole area of pirating things you already bought because of the offensive forced trailers and warnings on DVDs, or rampant copy protection that causes machine issues, or finding an ancient original CD, or simply because music piracy is as quick but less hassle than ripping a CD and adding artwork.

I'm not trying to justify theft. I know it's illegal and morally wrong. I just don't give a shit. The copywriters are going to do that they do. I'm going to do what I do with no guilt felt

Brave-Steak 7y ago
> morally wrong Debatable. There are plenty of situations where I feel I'm morally justified in pirating things. When my values tell me that companies shouldn't be able to profit off of something they made 20-30 years ago, then I have no moral qualms in downloading a ROM of a game for a console that isn't made anymore. Regardless of whether "remasters" or "ports" exist or not. Because in an ideal world, that wouldn't result in an eternal extension in copyright.
- paulie_a 7y ago
  Sure it's debatable. But at the end of the day I really don't care about copyright anymore. The concept can basically die in a dumpster fire as far as I'm concerned
  - hedora 7y ago
    Paying to perpetuate a corrupt system is immoral. These days, I pay a pittance for streaming (lazy), but buy albums directly from artists. (As in I hand over cash at concert venues) Perhaps it should be illegal for artists to sign away their own copyright/distribution rights. Exclusive licensing would still be fine. Then, artists could sell albums direct to the public. The distributors would have to keep their cut low enough to account for competition from artists undercutting them via direct sales.
    - paulie_a 7y ago
      We already have laws protecting minors from getting screwed over via their parents. why not a low that prevents you from selling all rights away for your intellectual property.
Tainnor 7y ago
I mean, we can debate about copyright and its ethics for days, but if you say "I know it's immoral but I do it anyway" then... you're just not a very ethical person.
- paulie_a 7y ago
  I treat it like speeding. I go five over. For that I'm also unethical. I also occasionally jwalk when there is no traffic. I'm breaking the law there too. Those minor infractions must make me unethical also. I can't justify either of those things either. I simply don't give a shit, copyright is just a minor and unimportant infraction. How many laws are you going to break today?

Fire-Dragon-DoL 7y ago

What about this: I want to buy a book in my mother language (Italian), but I live in Canada. The rights for the italian translation have not been purchased by anyone in Canada, so I cannot buy it here (the book is sold only in English). To buy the italian book though, I need to buy it from. Italy, using an italian address for billing. This is illegal, since I live in Canada and have no italian address. Lying on an official document can be punished with 2 years incarceration. So my only option to buy such book is traveling to Italy and buy it in a physical shop. Great for pollution, and sets the book price at something insane. Alternatively, I can pirate it.

NeedMoreTea 7y ago

Piracy is not theft, it is copyright infringement. If I steal your car, you no longer have a car and are deprived of the benefits. If I pirate your book, you are deprived of the vague possibility of some income from me -- there's no guarantee I would have bought your book if I could afford it, and there was no possibility of piracy. You still have the book though. Then there's the whole area of pirating things you already bought because of the offensive forced trailers and warnings on DVDs, or rampant copy protection that causes machine issues, or finding an ancient original CD, or simply because music piracy is as quick but less hassle than ripping a CD and adding artwork.