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I don't know but I find the structure of the post pretty hilarious. Basically the post says that the PinePhone mobile phone is, with the exception of the "mobi
by logicallee 7y ago
I don't know but I find the structure of the post pretty hilarious.
Basically the post says that the PinePhone mobile phone is, with the exception of the "mobile phone" part, a completely open source mobile phone.
It's just a funny way to write the post. If you remove the mobile phone part it's not a mobile phone. It's like saying a cake is, with the exception of the cake part, completely vegan.
- throwaway2048 7y agoIf you remove the CPU its not a mobile phone either.
- Piskvorrr 7y agoIf it were a feature phone, this would be an accurate summary. For a smartphone, calling is a minority usage (an actual issue with the modem, sure) and network access is assumed over a hostile link anyway; does it matter if it's hostile at hop 1 or hop 2, if the modem is not a privileged part of the system?
- numpad0 7y agoAn FBI tracker under your car is not a privileged part of your car
- Piskvorrr 7y agoI do not follow the car analogy, please explain.
- lvh 7y agoNot GP: but I assume the answer is "because GPS is in the modem, the closed source untrusted part could still be actively disclosing your location".
- Piskvorrr 7y agoAha! That is a valid concern indeed. Lesser than the usual "baseband has full access to whole system", but still significant.
- lallysingh 7y ago.. But the modem itself is broadcasting it's identity to multiple radio receivers. Is there enough of a difference wrt GPS positioning for the distinction to matter?
- lvh 7y agoSure, I agree it’s subtle. But it is: a) much higher resolution b) potentially to a specific third party who may not have access to cell network data. Like, say, an angry ex-spouse.
- throwaway41597 7y agoCould it be made less bad if you could turn the tracker off (switch to airplane mode by physically removing power from the modem) any time you want? It'd be nice if the PinePhone supported this.
- mirimir 7y agoBoth the PinePhone and Librem 5 have physical kill switches for the modems.
- RL_Quine 7y agoRight. We're just moving the DMZ, and that's for a lot of cases totally fine. Rather than how people would assume it works like this. CPU -> LTE Modem || DMZ || Cellphone Provider We have this for the Pinephone. CPU || DMZ || LTE Modem -> Cellphone Provider This is fine. Remember that in the first model, and in most typical phones, the LTE Modem have above root access to the CPU through DMA. The exception is some more modern devices like the iPhone, which give the modem a specific sandbox device to DMA into that's not the actual processor.
- lvh 7y agoThere are two reasons for wanting an open source phone: safety and hackability. Yes, the actual modem part isn't hackable, but they did do a good job (as do iPhones!) of segregating the closed source part so at least you don't have to worry about it remotely popping the actual phone OS. (nitpicking about "the modem is the real phone" not withstanding)