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Seems like you confuse dark energy (needed to explain the universe expansion acceleration) with dark matter (needed to correct for the galaxy rotation curve)

austincheney 7y ago
> Its presence is implied in a variety of astrophysical observations, including gravitational effects that cannot be explained by accepted theories of gravity unless more matter is present than can be seen. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter Even Wikipedia says dark matter is a stop gap of gravitational models. The very next sentence, first paragraph, says experts believe dark matter exists for that reason. > Without introducing a new form of energy, there was no way to explain how an accelerating universe could be measured. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy Dark energy is an unobserved stop gap as well. Dark energy was introduced because dark matter was not enough of a stop gap to qualify the acceleration of the expansion. The reality is that there is just as much theoretical qualifiers for the presence of dark matter as there are unexplained phenomena in the standard model that needs dark matter as a qualifier. The best possible answer to this nonsense is that the standard model is wrong because we don’t have the evidence to form a better model. All our evidence is limited to observations from Earth surface and low orbit. Hopefully the James Webb telescope will provide better evidence.
- mkl 7y ago
  All you're saying here is that dark matter and dark energy are evidence-based. The ideas would not exist if not for the evidence, as there wouldn't be any reason to try and think of explanations and theory modifications. This completely contradicts your original statement, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
  - austincheney 7y ago
    That is the opposite of what I am saying and the opposite of the various links and quotes I have provided. They do not exist due to evidence but because the standard model demands their existence.

austincheney 7y ago

> Its presence is implied in a variety of astrophysical observations, including gravitational effects that cannot be explained by accepted theories of gravity unless more matter is present than can be seen. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter Even Wikipedia says dark matter is a stop gap of gravitational models. The very next sentence, first paragraph, says experts believe dark matter exists for that reason. > Without introducing a new form of energy, there was no way to explain how an accelerating universe could be measured. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy Dark energy is an unobserved stop gap as well. Dark energy was introduced because dark matter was not enough of a stop gap to qualify the acceleration of the expansion. The reality is that there is just as much theoretical qualifiers for the presence of dark matter as there are unexplained phenomena in the standard model that needs dark matter as a qualifier. The best possible answer to this nonsense is that the standard model is wrong because we don’t have the evidence to form a better model. All our evidence is limited to observations from Earth surface and low orbit. Hopefully the James Webb telescope will provide better evidence.

mkl 7y ago
All you're saying here is that dark matter and dark energy are evidence-based. The ideas would not exist if not for the evidence, as there wouldn't be any reason to try and think of explanations and theory modifications. This completely contradicts your original statement, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
- austincheney 7y ago
  That is the opposite of what I am saying and the opposite of the various links and quotes I have provided. They do not exist due to evidence but because the standard model demands their existence.