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They are very likely real and OVH has a very good system. You can thank them for making free DDoS protection mainstream, dragging all other hosts kicking and sc

They are very likely real and OVH has a very good system. You can thank them for making free DDoS protection mainstream, dragging all other hosts kicking and screaming into providing DDoS protection. In the past providers like Linode were happy to just null route your IP for several hours/days or charge you thousands to block a small flood.

ignoramous 7y ago
> You can thank them for making free DDoS protection mainstream AWS does charge for WAF and Shield, I believe. I also remember comparing AWS Lambda at Edge vs Cloudflare Workers (though Lambda allows for longer execution times and generally provides more flexibility like RAM, CPU, Runtimes since it runs on a Linux VM vs V8 Isolates for Workers), costs were something like 10x apart. Can't wait for WebSockets support for Workers.
- lentil 7y ago
  > I also remember comparing AWS Lambda at Edge vs Cloudflare Workers ... costs were something like 10x apart. According to the AWS pricing example[1] 10 million requests per month on Lambda@Edge costs $9.13. The same thing on Cloudflare Workers[2] costs $5.00. So I would expect it to be closer to 2x. Although as you say there's a bit more flexibility with Lambda@Edge so it'll depend on your particular case. I'm curious if your situation was different somehow that made for such a big cost difference between the two? [1]https://aws.amazon.com/lambda/pricing/#Lambda.40Edge_Pricing https://aws.amazon.com/lambda/pricing/#Lambda.40Edge_Pricing [2]https://workers.cloudflare.com/#plans https://workers.cloudflare.com/#plans
  - ignoramous 7y ago
    $5 includes a generous free tier for Workers KV that can hold upto 10MiB of data against a single key. Cloudflare does not charge for bandwidth consumed, I believe. Also, use of Cloudflare's zonal http-cache is free. I guess, when I compared, I took Lambda@Edge's per second billing into consideration and not per 50ms (which brings down the RAM usage cost from $62.52 to $3.13 and total usage from $68.52 to $9.13). What really sealed the deal for me was the very low cold-start times with Workers. I'm not aware of recent improvements with Lambda@Edge, but the last time I tried them, it wasn't uncommon to hit 100ms+ start times.
    - lentil 7y ago
      That's interesting, thanks. I haven't really used Cloudflare Workers for much myself so it's interesting to hear folks' comparisons.
      - ignoramous 7y ago
        One more thing, I am not sure if Lambda@Edge charges based on wall-time or cpu-time. Workers' 50ms is cpu-time only and not wall-time. You could, in theory, spend 30s waiting for a fetch to return as awaiting on the network doesn't count against a Workers' 50ms cpu-time limit. Ref: https://developers.cloudflare.com/workers/about/limits/ https://developers.cloudflare.com/workers/about/limits/
latch 7y ago
It wasn't just Linode (a provider that's generally much cheaper than OVH), but high end providers like Softlayer too (and, as far as I know, still are)
- ryanlol 7y ago
  How is Linode “much cheaper than OVH”? Their margins are probably way higher.
  - latch 7y ago
    Linode's origin is as a VPS provider. OVH's is as a dedicated server provider. OVH's top server is twice the cost of Linode's and their cheapest is 5x the price (10 vs ~50).
    - luckylion 7y ago
      Comparing prices for bare metal with prices for shared infrastructure is pretty much useless though.
      - ryanlol 7y ago
        Why is that?
    - urbanjunkie 7y ago
      I mean, I'm not trying to be rude, but you're pretty fucking stupid. OVH's cheapest VPS is just over $3 per month.
    - ryanlol 7y ago
      Cheapest OVH dedi I see is the KS-1 for 3.99eur, which is less than the cheapest Linode VPS. OVH also doesn’t try to nickel-and-dime you by charging for data transfer. I wouldn’t recommend the cheapest Kimsufi offerings though, something like the SYS-WS-1 goes for $33 and is easily comparable with Linode offerings priced at multiple times that. OVH has a VPS product that’s far cheaper than what Linode offers, but I can’t speak to the quality of that offering.

ignoramous 7y ago

> You can thank them for making free DDoS protection mainstream AWS does charge for WAF and Shield, I believe. I also remember comparing AWS Lambda at Edge vs Cloudflare Workers (though Lambda allows for longer execution times and generally provides more flexibility like RAM, CPU, Runtimes since it runs on a Linux VM vs V8 Isolates for Workers), costs were something like 10x apart. Can't wait for WebSockets support for Workers.

lentil 7y ago
> I also remember comparing AWS Lambda at Edge vs Cloudflare Workers ... costs were something like 10x apart. According to the AWS pricing example[1] 10 million requests per month on Lambda@Edge costs $9.13. The same thing on Cloudflare Workers[2] costs $5.00. So I would expect it to be closer to 2x. Although as you say there's a bit more flexibility with Lambda@Edge so it'll depend on your particular case. I'm curious if your situation was different somehow that made for such a big cost difference between the two? [1]https://aws.amazon.com/lambda/pricing/#Lambda.40Edge_Pricing https://aws.amazon.com/lambda/pricing/#Lambda.40Edge_Pricing [2]https://workers.cloudflare.com/#plans https://workers.cloudflare.com/#plans
- ignoramous 7y ago
  $5 includes a generous free tier for Workers KV that can hold upto 10MiB of data against a single key. Cloudflare does not charge for bandwidth consumed, I believe. Also, use of Cloudflare's zonal http-cache is free. I guess, when I compared, I took Lambda@Edge's per second billing into consideration and not per 50ms (which brings down the RAM usage cost from $62.52 to $3.13 and total usage from $68.52 to $9.13). What really sealed the deal for me was the very low cold-start times with Workers. I'm not aware of recent improvements with Lambda@Edge, but the last time I tried them, it wasn't uncommon to hit 100ms+ start times.
  - lentil 7y ago
    That's interesting, thanks. I haven't really used Cloudflare Workers for much myself so it's interesting to hear folks' comparisons.
    - ignoramous 7y ago
      One more thing, I am not sure if Lambda@Edge charges based on wall-time or cpu-time. Workers' 50ms is cpu-time only and not wall-time. You could, in theory, spend 30s waiting for a fetch to return as awaiting on the network doesn't count against a Workers' 50ms cpu-time limit. Ref: https://developers.cloudflare.com/workers/about/limits/ https://developers.cloudflare.com/workers/about/limits/

latch 7y ago

It wasn't just Linode (a provider that's generally much cheaper than OVH), but high end providers like Softlayer too (and, as far as I know, still are)

ryanlol 7y ago
How is Linode “much cheaper than OVH”? Their margins are probably way higher.
- latch 7y ago
  Linode's origin is as a VPS provider. OVH's is as a dedicated server provider. OVH's top server is twice the cost of Linode's and their cheapest is 5x the price (10 vs ~50).
  - luckylion 7y ago
    Comparing prices for bare metal with prices for shared infrastructure is pretty much useless though.
    - ryanlol 7y ago
      Why is that?
  - urbanjunkie 7y ago
    I mean, I'm not trying to be rude, but you're pretty fucking stupid. OVH's cheapest VPS is just over $3 per month.
  - ryanlol 7y ago
    Cheapest OVH dedi I see is the KS-1 for 3.99eur, which is less than the cheapest Linode VPS. OVH also doesn’t try to nickel-and-dime you by charging for data transfer. I wouldn’t recommend the cheapest Kimsufi offerings though, something like the SYS-WS-1 goes for $33 and is easily comparable with Linode offerings priced at multiple times that. OVH has a VPS product that’s far cheaper than what Linode offers, but I can’t speak to the quality of that offering.