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Article 13: UK will not implement EU copyright law
- emiliobumachar 7y ago"The UK was among 19 nations that initially supported the law. That was in its final European Council vote in April 2019." A bit like farting in the elevator just before stepping off, eh?
- ulfw 7y agoWhich describes Britain’s relationship with the EU since Day One
- blibble 7y agothis seems unfair given that after invoking Article 50 the UK agreed to vote with the majority in Council to minimise disruption (while still permitting quorum)
- chrisseaton 7y agoThat's a mischievous way to describe what happened here - in fact the UK said that as it was leaving, it would simply vote with the majority on issues, so it didn't not influence the vote.
- yjftsjthsd-h 7y agoDo they not have the option to abstain from votes?
- nicky0 7y agoAbstaining could have led to the decision being inquorate, therefore it would be seen as obstructive.
- tachion 7y agoHow do you vote with majority, when the majority is only known after the vote?
- contrast 7y agoBecause people and countries are permitted to talk to each other before a vote - especially so in legislatures where votes are not made in a secret ballot - and therefore the majority is usually known before the vote.
- jariel 7y ago"How do you vote with the majority, when the majority is only known after the vote?" There are few surprises among these votes, and major parties often signal beforehand what they're going to do.
- skrowl 7y agoMore like they said they wanted to get off the elevator June 23, 2016 and the other people on the elevator prevented them from getting off one way or another for 1,317 days until Jan 31, 2020.
- dfawcus 7y agoExcept we're still on the elevator until Dec 31st 2020. January 31, 2020 is when we're no longer allowed to push the elevator buttons.
- dang 7y agoPlease don't do this here.
- lazyjones 7y agoWhat the BBC fails to mention or tries to hide: memes will not be safe: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200117/07301943748/germany-wants-to-limit-memes-mashups-derived-press-publishers-material-to-128-by-128-pixels-resolution-three-seconds-length.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200117/07301943748/germa...
- asplake 7y ago...in Germany. That’s Germany’s proposed implementation of the law
- DuskStar 7y agoAnd we all know that the rest of the EU will be more reasonable in their implementation. Except that Germany is one of the biggest political forces in the EU, and what they're doing a lot of the rest will be pressured to follow...
- _0ffh 7y agoI fear that if I voiced the opinion I hold of my dear government, I shall be voted down into oblivion for gratuitous use of colourfully explicit language, and rightfully so. The only comfort that is given me, is that this stain on European politics stands out slightly less for being in some equally abysmal company, which unfortunately is another source of pain all by itself. I wish our politicians were the only paragons of stupidity and corruption, so that the European community as a whole would put them in their place. Alas, we're not the only flower in the bunch that stinks. It seems the most prominent use the EU is regularly put to, is as a scapegoat to blame for bad laws. These are sponsored and promoted by cabals of national governments on the European level, in order to shirk their responsibility to their sovereigns, the national voters.
- 1_player 7y agoI've read your comment thrice and I can't make any sense of it and tell if you're arguing for or against the parent argument.
- dzink 7y agoDoes not apply to private or non-commercial use, which Facebook and peers could claim is all of the use on a private profile site.
- matthewmacleod 7y agoIt would be wise to take any promises made by the current government with regard to the EU with a rather humongous pinch of salt at the moment. The UK will shortly be trying to salvage as much of its trading and regulatory relationship with Europe as it can. I’d expect to see promises like this quietly dropped.
- tonyedgecombe 7y agoThat was my hope originally but I’m not so sure now. It seems the current government believes a lot of their own rhetoric.
- interfixus 7y agorhetoric, noun: political views espoused by people one does not agree with.
- gpm 7y agoActual definition (Merriam Webster) Rhetoric: Noun: Verbal communication : Discourse In politics rhetoric refers to the arguments communicated, not the views themselves. People you agree with also have rhetoric. To the extent it has a negative connotation, that is because many arguments (even for good policies) are terrible.
- Zenst 7y agoMost of their `rhetoric` was that they would leave the EU, so you can see how that momentum could run. But on results of promises and delivering the current government elected in December, seem to be on target. But early days, let's see how that actually pans out, people saying one thing and not doing; That is `rhetoric`. Actually delivering it, a rare thing in today's times. As for this Article 13 EU Law - not a bad one to not adopt as many a debate has extolled when the law was first mooted. Is it just an easy low-hanging fruit to enable other less socially palatable laws to be ignored - not impossible at all, but without time we can only speculate from perspective. [EDIT - formatting and extra S removed]
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- Mindwipe 7y agoThe current UK government's proposals for an "online harms" regulator will be far, far, far more harmful than Article 13 would ever be. They're vague, undefined, create criminal penalties, don't understand what harms are, create an incentive to shut down speech on the basis of risk management and will be enforced entirely arbitrarily.
- unnouinceput 7y ago"The UK was among 19 nations that initially supported the law." That's quite rich, ain't it? It's OK, after Brexit UK will become a colony of US anyway since they will rapidly do bi trading deals and implement US style anyway. You know, the style that allowed stuff to halt for 20 years because Disney want it in 1999.
- vonquant 7y ago>UK will become a colony of US What? No.
- thaumasiotes 7y agoThe idea kind of reminds me of Yahoo's Alibaba investment. It was successful. So successful that, in the end, it completely negated anything else that was going on at Yahoo. You could make a fun argument that colonizing America had a similar kind of effect on Britain.
- jcranmer 7y ago> You know, the style that allowed stuff to halt for 20 years because Disney want it in 1999. You are aware that the copyright extension law was passed in the US to align it with the EU's length, right?
- unnouinceput 7y agoAnd you are aware that US still want Kim Dotcom to be extradited to US for copyright infringement for stuff he didn't do it, just because he pissed off Disney with his services, right? I mean a dude who never set foot on US, never did business with any Americans is higher on DoJ list just because Disney said so.
- tptacek 7y agoWell, that and running a "file sharing service" as a cover for one of the largest organized commercial piracy services on the Internet, a fact the DOJ was able to establish in Schmitz's own words from the contents of mails he and his team exchanged --- which you can read for yourself in the long-public indictment. But I'm sure Donald Duck and Jafar from Alladin don't like him much either.
- Koremat6666 7y agoThank you UK. I hope UK does a comprehensive review of all EU regulations have made it harder to do business in UK. Hope things like GDPR goes away too. Other nations too should learn from UK here.
- matthewmacleod 7y agoHeh. The UK is currently in the process of imposing absolutely massive trade barriers between itself and its largest overseas market. I think perhaps the last place you’d want to look for guidance would be that. Bear in mind that the UK will still essentially have to comply with things like GDPR and other European regulation if it wishes to continue doing business in Europe - particularly in the services sector.
- NeedMoreTea 7y agoGDPR is, I hope, safe. Various politicians have said it's staying -- YMMV in how much score to place in that. It's reasonable, clear and ICO is one of the better regulators. It certainly doesn't make it harder to do business in the UK. Leaving the EU does that, as effectively as being on the receiving end of international sanctions.
- jariel 7y ago"Leaving the EU does that, as effectively as being on the receiving end of international sanctions." This is not just hyperbolic, it's false.
- NeedMoreTea 7y agoProve it, or cite something credible. Business stance on the EU and Brexit has optimism at an all time low.
- jariel 7y agoYou're making the outlandish claim that 'leaving the EU is like having sanctions' - the burden is entirely on you to 'prove it'. Since most nations 'outside the EU' like Norway, Switzerland, or even Canada, the US, Australia are not comparable to 'being sanctioned' I suggest you're going to have a hard time making your case.
- jotm 7y agoI'm trying to find out about other EU countries' implementation, but so far it looks no one's doing much. Germany has a proposal that I doubt will go anywhere, but who knows, maybe they will, judging by their ignorance of anything Internet related. Other countries don't seem to have any information available. I seriously hope Eastern European leaders aren't dumb enough to implement something that would send their online tech sectors to the grave... But again, who knows Anyone from EU have some information about this?
- jakeogh 7y agoFantastic. Go UK! Article 13 is antithetical to a free society.
- raverbashing 7y agoI totally agree that Art. 13/17 is a farce But as a reminder, a good amount of Labour (S&D) and Tories (ECR) voted for the directive https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/b6puyx/thats_how_every_mep_voted_on_the_copyright/ https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/b6puyx/thats_how_ev... so it is possible something might be brought at the HoC level
- Zenst 7y agoA good move, probably one of the more palatable EU laws that will if dropped, go down well politicaly with the people. Equally, it enables the UK to use it as a presedence to drift away from other EU rules, some maybe less politicaly palatable with the populus. So on many levels, a very cunning move and certainly opens up EU trade negotiations to cater for divergance by grabbing a low hanging fruit. But will this effect trade with the EU and trade deals - not that much, if at all. Can anybody name a UK company that this law effects that solely or majority trades with the EU? Asking as this seems more about content and most/near all content providers are global and would be versed in regional variations on regulations.