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We're torturing and holding people without charges for decades and even their entire lifetimes. We routinely ignore every single amendment and clause of the con
by mnm1 7y ago
We're torturing and holding people without charges for decades and even their entire lifetimes. We routinely ignore every single amendment and clause of the constitution when it's convenient for the government. I think what the constitution says is irrelevant at this point. The government will do what it wants irrespective of the constitution. The only dissonance here is that some people still insist on calling the US a free, democratic country. Not sure it ever really was in its history, but it sure as hell isn't now. It would help us all if we stopped this delusion.
- SllX 7y agoThat’s a separate ball of wax, but we do hold people captured in war in fairly inhumane conditions. I don’t agree with this policy, but it’s important to understand where the lines are being drawn. It’s also important to remember that military tribunals are not nor have they ever been Article III courts, nor do the same standards apply in the case of war that would apply in civil or criminal cases.
- mnm1 7y agoSure, but we've been at war now for 19 years or so at least (2001, possibly longer). If the time of war is every single day, then there is no time of war and the government is just using that as an excuse to justify its inhumanity. In fact, if you want to name years we haven't been at war since WWII, you're not going to get many years. But I see what you're getting at: when we're at war, the constitution is suspended. I just go a tiny step further and say the constitution has been permanently suspended. There is no difference between those positions currently, considering we are in a permanent state of war and have been so for almost two decades.