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Are you saying we should not do video platforms at all? Also moderation is not the only bad job in the industry or life in general. Why should we specifically

Are you saying we should not do video platforms at all? Also moderation is not the only bad job in the industry or life in general. Why should we specifically rotate on moderation? Why not cleaning after old people, plumbing anything else you can think of that might be gross or mentally dangerous to do? Moderation is only a minor factor of all the implications of this job.

dredmorbius 7y ago
I'm saying the question should be asked. I mean, we have people literally having themselves shot dead for YouTube clicks and ads: https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/us/fatal-youtube-stunt/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/us/fatal-youtube-stunt/index.... (Something I'd commented on at the time. YouTube are absolutely culpable.) If the job has to be done -- and I'd put healthcare, garbage collection, policework, and military service among those -- you take all reasonable efforts to minimise risks, especially unnecessary ones, and support those who've become disabled through them. That's the principle argument for veterans healthcare, and an exceptionally sound one. There are of course many instances of work under hazadous conditions not properly compensated. A few off the top of my head: - Workers in lead-related facilities: mining, smelting, fuel production, paint, and printing. (I'm excluding resulting environmental contamination, that's also an issue, but not workers.) - "Radium Girls" watchdial painters. Instructed to lick their brushes with their lips/tongues. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radium_Girls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radium_Girls - Coal miners: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalworker%27s_pneumoconiosis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalworker%27s_pneumoconiosis - Asbestos workers -- concrete, shipbuilding, roofing, insulation, and more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesothelioma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesothelioma - Fire hazards, generally: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fi... Spinning up a platform for cat videos and pratfalls with no larger social conscience is not excusable. (Yes, there's good content on YouTube, and I rely on it myself. I'm aware of the costs. And I'm aware that many proposed alternatives, including peer-to-peer systems, would or do face similar issues.)
- mewpmewp2 7y ago
  Of course you should minimize the risks, but what we are debating about is whether employees should be forced to do that job on rotation. In reality this is something that should be regulated legally so the company would be legally required to provide appropriate amount of assistance/support to the moderators.
  - dredmorbius 7y ago
    I'm leaning that way myself.

dredmorbius 7y ago

I'm saying the question should be asked. I mean, we have people literally having themselves shot dead for YouTube clicks and ads: https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/us/fatal-youtube-stunt/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/us/fatal-youtube-stunt/index.... (Something I'd commented on at the time. YouTube are absolutely culpable.) If the job has to be done -- and I'd put healthcare, garbage collection, policework, and military service among those -- you take all reasonable efforts to minimise risks, especially unnecessary ones, and support those who've become disabled through them. That's the principle argument for veterans healthcare, and an exceptionally sound one. There are of course many instances of work under hazadous conditions not properly compensated. A few off the top of my head: - Workers in lead-related facilities: mining, smelting, fuel production, paint, and printing. (I'm excluding resulting environmental contamination, that's also an issue, but not workers.) - "Radium Girls" watchdial painters. Instructed to lick their brushes with their lips/tongues. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radium_Girls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radium_Girls - Coal miners: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalworker%27s_pneumoconiosis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalworker%27s_pneumoconiosis - Asbestos workers -- concrete, shipbuilding, roofing, insulation, and more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesothelioma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesothelioma - Fire hazards, generally: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fi... Spinning up a platform for cat videos and pratfalls with no larger social conscience is not excusable. (Yes, there's good content on YouTube, and I rely on it myself. I'm aware of the costs. And I'm aware that many proposed alternatives, including peer-to-peer systems, would or do face similar issues.)

mewpmewp2 7y ago
Of course you should minimize the risks, but what we are debating about is whether employees should be forced to do that job on rotation. In reality this is something that should be regulated legally so the company would be legally required to provide appropriate amount of assistance/support to the moderators.
- dredmorbius 7y ago
  I'm leaning that way myself.