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Why are Google and Facebook in the same jail? What breach of privacy is Google guilty of?

prophesi 7y ago
Historically speaking, Google is the one who innovates ground-breaking privacy-violating technology, and Facebook copies them a year or two later with much less tact.
- senthil_rajasek 7y ago
  Name the privacy violating technology. How and please be specific. I can give examples of FB violating user privacy. Cambridge Analytica.
  - prophesi 7y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_concerns_regarding_Google https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_concerns_regarding_Goo... They are the pioneers of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_capitalism For specific technologies: Their search engine. Their Ad network. Google Maps / StreetView. Android OS. Google Home. Google Nest. Google Chrome. Chromebooks.
  - newscracker 7y ago
    There are too many to list. An online search is a better idea. Here are two instances: Google was (and probably still is) tracking your location on Android even when you turned off location services and storing it against your account. Google signed you in automatically into Chrome whenever you signed in to a Google property. This change removed the ability to keep your Chrome browsing data strictly locally. After some Internet outrage, this was reversed.
rezeroed 7y ago
"About – Senthil Rajasekharan Senthil Rajasekharan is a standup comedian from Minneapolis/St. Paul who started doing comedy in 2010."
- sbmthakur 7y ago
  How's that information relevant here?
- senthil_rajasek 7y ago
  I gave Google permission to show that. They have done a good job.
sbmthakur 7y ago
Here you go: https://spreadprivacy.com/why-use-duckduckgo-instead-of-google/ https://spreadprivacy.com/why-use-duckduckgo-instead-of-goog...
sp332 7y ago
The ad network?
- senthil_rajasek 7y ago
  How? All the info about me is with Google and no 3rd party knows my private info.
  - sp332 7y ago
    First, I'd rather Google not have it. I consider Google having it to be a breach of my privacy. But besides that, any time someone clicks an ad, Google gives information about that person to the advertiser.
    - senthil_rajasek 7y ago
      You can absolutely tell google not to store your information. When you buy a shoe with your credit card at a store you are giving your personal information, isn't clicking on an ad similar?
      - sp332 7y ago
        Yes, I would also be ticked off if the shoe store sold off my personal info, or really used it for any reason other than selling me shoes.
        senthil_rajasek 7y ago
        You can remain anonymous with Google. With Facebook you just cannot be an anonymous user.
      - newscracker 7y ago
        > You can absolutely tell google not to store your information ...except for all the times when Google did collect and store your information despite you telling it not to (look online for location tracking on Android).
cattlemansgold 7y ago
He is saying that he is uncomfortable with so much detailed and important information being owned by one entity, not explicitly accusing Google of leaking his info.
- senthil_rajasek 7y ago
  Then it's two separate articles. Google and Facebook are not the same when it comes to privacy. This article throws them together in the same bucket and it's really unfair to Google.
fenwick67 7y ago
> What breach of privacy is Google guilty of Some people would consider tracking users across the entire web and selling ads based on their behavior to be disrespectful of privacy. Google hasn't had any big fuck-ups like Facebook with CA, but ultimately they both are advertising companies that owe their success to selling personalized ads.
- senthil_rajasek 7y ago
  They are very different ad companies. One shows ads along side search results based on what you are looking for... FB snoops on me and shoves cereal ads at me like street corner flyer pushers.
  - newscracker 7y ago
    Correction, Google shows ads based on what you search for, which locations you visit, who you communicate with, what kind of photos you take, who’s in the photos you take and so on. All the data collected by Google is intended and used to shove ads to you, since ads is the biggest money earner for Google by a huge margin. None of the Google services are provided “free” out of some benevolence. If you’re using Android, Google has been snooping on you a lot more often than Facebook could dream of.
  - sp332 7y ago
    You know Google owns an ad network right? They show ads on lots of sites around the internet, not just on Google search results. They use data from Google Analytics to track you around the web.
ethanbond 7y ago
Their business model.

Historically speaking, Google is the one who innovates ground-breaking privacy-violating technology, and Facebook copies them a year or two later with much less tact.

senthil_rajasek 7y ago
Name the privacy violating technology. How and please be specific. I can give examples of FB violating user privacy. Cambridge Analytica.
- prophesi 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_concerns_regarding_Google https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_concerns_regarding_Goo... They are the pioneers of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_capitalism For specific technologies: Their search engine. Their Ad network. Google Maps / StreetView. Android OS. Google Home. Google Nest. Google Chrome. Chromebooks.
- newscracker 7y ago
  There are too many to list. An online search is a better idea. Here are two instances: Google was (and probably still is) tracking your location on Android even when you turned off location services and storing it against your account. Google signed you in automatically into Chrome whenever you signed in to a Google property. This change removed the ability to keep your Chrome browsing data strictly locally. After some Internet outrage, this was reversed.

rezeroed 7y ago

"About – Senthil Rajasekharan Senthil Rajasekharan is a standup comedian from Minneapolis/St. Paul who started doing comedy in 2010."

sbmthakur 7y ago
How's that information relevant here?
senthil_rajasek 7y ago
I gave Google permission to show that. They have done a good job.

sbmthakur 7y ago

Here you go: https://spreadprivacy.com/why-use-duckduckgo-instead-of-google/ https://spreadprivacy.com/why-use-duckduckgo-instead-of-goog...

sp332 7y ago

The ad network?

senthil_rajasek 7y ago
How? All the info about me is with Google and no 3rd party knows my private info.
- sp332 7y ago
  First, I'd rather Google not have it. I consider Google having it to be a breach of my privacy. But besides that, any time someone clicks an ad, Google gives information about that person to the advertiser.
  - senthil_rajasek 7y ago
    You can absolutely tell google not to store your information. When you buy a shoe with your credit card at a store you are giving your personal information, isn't clicking on an ad similar?
    - sp332 7y ago
      Yes, I would also be ticked off if the shoe store sold off my personal info, or really used it for any reason other than selling me shoes.
      - senthil_rajasek 7y ago
        You can remain anonymous with Google. With Facebook you just cannot be an anonymous user.
    - newscracker 7y ago
      > You can absolutely tell google not to store your information ...except for all the times when Google did collect and store your information despite you telling it not to (look online for location tracking on Android).

cattlemansgold 7y ago

He is saying that he is uncomfortable with so much detailed and important information being owned by one entity, not explicitly accusing Google of leaking his info.

senthil_rajasek 7y ago
Then it's two separate articles. Google and Facebook are not the same when it comes to privacy. This article throws them together in the same bucket and it's really unfair to Google.

fenwick67 7y ago

> What breach of privacy is Google guilty of Some people would consider tracking users across the entire web and selling ads based on their behavior to be disrespectful of privacy. Google hasn't had any big fuck-ups like Facebook with CA, but ultimately they both are advertising companies that owe their success to selling personalized ads.

senthil_rajasek 7y ago
They are very different ad companies. One shows ads along side search results based on what you are looking for... FB snoops on me and shoves cereal ads at me like street corner flyer pushers.
- newscracker 7y ago
  Correction, Google shows ads based on what you search for, which locations you visit, who you communicate with, what kind of photos you take, who’s in the photos you take and so on. All the data collected by Google is intended and used to shove ads to you, since ads is the biggest money earner for Google by a huge margin. None of the Google services are provided “free” out of some benevolence. If you’re using Android, Google has been snooping on you a lot more often than Facebook could dream of.
- sp332 7y ago
  You know Google owns an ad network right? They show ads on lots of sites around the internet, not just on Google search results. They use data from Google Analytics to track you around the web.

ethanbond 7y ago

Their business model.