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With something as important as data at the border being farmed out to so many parties, I can hardly trust information can be kept securely with so many 3rd part

With something as important as data at the border being farmed out to so many parties, I can hardly trust information can be kept securely with so many 3rd party relationships, especially with foreign firms.

GhettoMaestro 7y ago
If you are in the data path clear text you most likely have to abide by classified data handling procedures.
gpm 7y ago
Note that it looks like this technology is being deployed at the border not at border crossings. What threats are you worried about here? Privacy of people in the process of illegally immigrating? I don't think the people deploying these experiments share your concern. Privacy of people who happen to live near the border? It seems unlikely that they are collecting much data on them, just because it's not useful to collect... I can see it being a real concern if they are collecting data on them. Privacy of troop movements? Are there serious adversaries who are more likely to be aided by this data leaking than they are to be hindered by the increased surveillance? If a real war broke out on the US border I'm sure we would quickly become more selective about the providers, and where the data from the instruments is going.
- save_ferris 7y ago
  > Privacy of people who happen to live near the border? It seems unlikely that they are collecting much data on them, just because it's not useful to collect... I can see it being a real concern if they are collecting data on them. I could easily see an agency argue that it needs to collect data on everyone near the border in order to track coyotes and others inside the country assisting with border crossings, etc. After Snowden, it's hard to envision any agency with surveillance powers opting not to collect data for not being "useful". The justification is definitely there for those who are adamant about collecting the data.
- sgnelson 7y ago
  Right, because these companies are spending millions of dollars on R&D for new technologies that will only ever be used along the US/Mexican border. How about being worried because it's inevitable for this technology to be deployed elsewhere? And that's just one of the obvious problems.

GhettoMaestro 7y ago

If you are in the data path clear text you most likely have to abide by classified data handling procedures.

gpm 7y ago

Note that it looks like this technology is being deployed at the border not at border crossings. What threats are you worried about here? Privacy of people in the process of illegally immigrating? I don't think the people deploying these experiments share your concern. Privacy of people who happen to live near the border? It seems unlikely that they are collecting much data on them, just because it's not useful to collect... I can see it being a real concern if they are collecting data on them. Privacy of troop movements? Are there serious adversaries who are more likely to be aided by this data leaking than they are to be hindered by the increased surveillance? If a real war broke out on the US border I'm sure we would quickly become more selective about the providers, and where the data from the instruments is going.

save_ferris 7y ago
> Privacy of people who happen to live near the border? It seems unlikely that they are collecting much data on them, just because it's not useful to collect... I can see it being a real concern if they are collecting data on them. I could easily see an agency argue that it needs to collect data on everyone near the border in order to track coyotes and others inside the country assisting with border crossings, etc. After Snowden, it's hard to envision any agency with surveillance powers opting not to collect data for not being "useful". The justification is definitely there for those who are adamant about collecting the data.
sgnelson 7y ago
Right, because these companies are spending millions of dollars on R&D for new technologies that will only ever be used along the US/Mexican border. How about being worried because it's inevitable for this technology to be deployed elsewhere? And that's just one of the obvious problems.