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I have no problem if a company performs facial recognition on me as long as I give them permission and it is used for specific purposes. Why should the governme

I have no problem if a company performs facial recognition on me as long as I give them permission and it is used for specific purposes. Why should the government interfere with my ability to decide how images of my face are used?

femiagbabiaka 7y ago
because companies are lying to you about how your data is being used
- imgabe 7y ago
  Then make lying about it illegal, not the technology itself.
- throwaway713 7y ago
  So have the government explain the risks of sharing personal data with corporations and then punish companies after the fact rather than preemptively. I don’t understand why I shouldn’t be able to make an adult decision about taking risks with my own personal data.
  - cryptoz 7y ago
    Just like with a lot of things we have rules against, it's not just your personal data. Encoded in photos of you is data about your family, too. And in public, your surroundings, people nearby you, your location history, etc is all in the realm of these photo systems. There is more data in your photo than just you - this is a societal safety issue. Allowing a free-for-all in all new tech that has clearly defined privacy issues at scale can cause a lot of runaway problems. A society who tries their best to reduce harm caused by bad actors using wild new technology that has huge privacy implications is a reasonable society to me. Automated detection of your face matters to the rest of society, too. It's not just your privacy that is affected, it is other people's too.
    - imgabe 7y ago
      A society that issues blanket bans on new technologies instead of specific problem behaviors is one that ends up falling behind
tjoff 7y ago
How can a company know that you have given them consent before they perform the facial recognition?
- s1artibartfast 7y ago
  You sign a contract, TOS, ect?
  - tjoff 7y ago
    In a public space?
    - PeterisP 7y ago
      If you can't get the permission, then you don't have it - so yes, they can't simply use it on unsuspecting people in a public space.
- cle 7y ago
  Is the mechanism of consent relevant here?
  - tjoff 7y ago
    How can it not be? We are talking about public spaces here.
- Ajedi32 7y ago
  Do the facial recognition, then throw out that data if it turns out the face in question isn't in the whitelist of consenting users. Computers aren't like humans. They have the ability to permanently and irreversibly forget certain information, and they always do exactly what they're programmed to. A local, on-device facial recognition programmed to immediately discard information on unrecognized faces has exactly zero privacy impact. (See also: smart speakers listening for a hotword.)
  - 7y ago
ilikehurdles 7y ago
Why should a company be allowed to perform wide scale facial recognition, analysis, and use as its training data the images of people who never consented to that use just so that it can determine whether the face it has in front of it is your face that you gave them consent to use?
- throwaway713 7y ago
  Why are people uploading photos of others who never gave their consent to have their image online in the first place?
  - ilikehurdles 7y ago
    Disrespect? Ignorance? They're huge fans of surveillance capitalism? The more GDPR rules and further privacy regulations such as this help prevent this practice, the better. Consent should not be assumed and should be revokable if ever given. Yes means yes -- everything else means no.
  - cuspycode 7y ago
    That's a good question. Maybe we should focus on prosecuting everyone who publishes photos of others without their consent? Or not. But that's a question that's completely unrelated to the question of consenting to facial recognition.
alfromspace 7y ago
Who do you work for?

femiagbabiaka 7y ago

because companies are lying to you about how your data is being used

imgabe 7y ago
Then make lying about it illegal, not the technology itself.
throwaway713 7y ago
So have the government explain the risks of sharing personal data with corporations and then punish companies after the fact rather than preemptively. I don’t understand why I shouldn’t be able to make an adult decision about taking risks with my own personal data.
- cryptoz 7y ago
  Just like with a lot of things we have rules against, it's not just your personal data. Encoded in photos of you is data about your family, too. And in public, your surroundings, people nearby you, your location history, etc is all in the realm of these photo systems. There is more data in your photo than just you - this is a societal safety issue. Allowing a free-for-all in all new tech that has clearly defined privacy issues at scale can cause a lot of runaway problems. A society who tries their best to reduce harm caused by bad actors using wild new technology that has huge privacy implications is a reasonable society to me. Automated detection of your face matters to the rest of society, too. It's not just your privacy that is affected, it is other people's too.
  - imgabe 7y ago
    A society that issues blanket bans on new technologies instead of specific problem behaviors is one that ends up falling behind

tjoff 7y ago

How can a company know that you have given them consent before they perform the facial recognition?

s1artibartfast 7y ago
You sign a contract, TOS, ect?
- tjoff 7y ago
  In a public space?
  - PeterisP 7y ago
    If you can't get the permission, then you don't have it - so yes, they can't simply use it on unsuspecting people in a public space.
cle 7y ago
Is the mechanism of consent relevant here?
- tjoff 7y ago
  How can it not be? We are talking about public spaces here.
Ajedi32 7y ago
Do the facial recognition, then throw out that data if it turns out the face in question isn't in the whitelist of consenting users. Computers aren't like humans. They have the ability to permanently and irreversibly forget certain information, and they always do exactly what they're programmed to. A local, on-device facial recognition programmed to immediately discard information on unrecognized faces has exactly zero privacy impact. (See also: smart speakers listening for a hotword.)
- 7y ago

ilikehurdles 7y ago

Why should a company be allowed to perform wide scale facial recognition, analysis, and use as its training data the images of people who never consented to that use just so that it can determine whether the face it has in front of it is your face that you gave them consent to use?

throwaway713 7y ago
Why are people uploading photos of others who never gave their consent to have their image online in the first place?
- ilikehurdles 7y ago
  Disrespect? Ignorance? They're huge fans of surveillance capitalism? The more GDPR rules and further privacy regulations such as this help prevent this practice, the better. Consent should not be assumed and should be revokable if ever given. Yes means yes -- everything else means no.
- cuspycode 7y ago
  That's a good question. Maybe we should focus on prosecuting everyone who publishes photos of others without their consent? Or not. But that's a question that's completely unrelated to the question of consenting to facial recognition.

alfromspace 7y ago

Who do you work for?