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It's too late to collect sand

108 points by secondbreakfast 7y ago

neltnerb 7y ago
“The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.”
- 0xff00ffee 7y ago
  I was at a lecture once and the speaker recited a hypothetical conversation he had once had: "Someone asked me, 'When is the right time to plant a tree?' I responded, '20 years ago.'"... But it ended there, he never followed up with your second sentence. Odd, because that's way more salient! However, what surprised me was that some in the audience took it as a defeatist statement, while others took at is motivation. It seemed clear to me that it was intended to be motivational. How could this anecdote be defeatist? I still don't understand that sentiment. Literally every day is ANOTHER chance to start a habit, trend, experiment, set a goal, etc. that you forgot to do yesterday. For me that's a relief because I'm always forgetting shit. Maybe forgetting that last sentence makes it seem doomed.
  - neltnerb 7y ago
    Yeah, I admit it's easy to get into the mindset that you're already doomed because of reason after reason after reason. Just look at how people respond to climate change... well, or to people posting their hobby projects on less friendly aggregators than HN (though we fall victim to the "well I'd have done it this other way better" incredibly disheartening responses to someone teaching themselves a new skill and wanting to show people). The tree quote (ancient Chinese proverb, I do not know more specific origins) is especially salient given that you're not planting the tree to make the planet better today, you're doing it so that future generations can benefit because it's the least you can do. But for most things the timeframe is shorter; I've seen 60 year olds start karate for the first time and 80 year olds go to college. The important part is to not get in your own way with a defeatist attitude. Not wishful thinking, you'll still have to work hard to get to where you wish you were. And as a disabled person I also know that sometimes it really just isn't practical. But it's important to remember that how you spend your life is for you, not to impress other people.
    - 0xff00ffee 7y ago
      > ...and wanting to show people I still don't quite get this need to show strangers. I've had it explained to me, but I'm pretty sure it is part of a cultural shift, i.e. I'm old. Like, if stranger's approval is needed, doesn't that mean you're LESS likely to do something since it isn't guaranteed? Or maybe it is easier to start something BECAUSE there are so m any strangers willing to offer support. Either way it seems like putting success/fail in the hands of external forces. > Not wishful thinking, you'll still have to work hard to get to where you wish you were. Yeah, exactly. The accomplishments in my life with the most meaning are the hardest ones. But I don't know if that's universal. I read the book "Flow" in 1991 and it changed my life, and your quote is kinda the central thesis. : : Ironically, I planted four trees last year and three haven't started to bud yet (the fourth one is), which means I prolly killed them. Maybe still too wintry. /sigh/
      - JohnFen 7y ago
        > I still don't quite get this need to show strangers. I've had it explained to me, but I'm pretty sure it is part of a cultural shift, i.e. I'm old. I'm a graybeard, too, and I share your lack of understanding about this. The only time that I feel it's important to "show people" stuff is when I'm wanting to learn or reinforce my own understanding of it. I've found a lot of truth to the old saw that the best way to learn something is to teach it to someone else.
        titzer 7y ago
        The shift happened gradually, then all at once. Nowadays the Instagram generation is literally obsessed with showing people everything, all the time...the bottom of the barrel being, of course, the fishface selfie, which I find infuriating. It didn't start with Facebook, but it really picked up speed. That was a platform that really penetrated into people's social circles, gave people an effortless way to post photos of themselves right from their phones, and generally created little fiefdoms of social following. We can blame platforms, and I do, a lot, but the capacity for narcissism has been latent in human nature for a long time.
      - 7y ago
  - JohnFen 7y ago
    > Maybe forgetting that last sentence makes it seem doomed. That's how I read it. Without the last sentence, the statement is reads as totally defeatist to me -- it seems to say "you should have planted the tree 20 years ago, then. Too late now!"
- Kinrany 7y ago
  I don't find this proverb convincing. The best time may be only marginally better than the actual second best time. It's main value is that it's a personal Schelling point (see also [1]) for doing the thing. "Now" is not a good Schelling point because it's the same as "in a minute" or "in an hour". [1]: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Kbm6QnJv9dgWsPHQP/schelling-fences-on-slippery-slopes https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Kbm6QnJv9dgWsPHQP/schelling-...
  - neltnerb 7y ago
    It's a proverb? From ancient China? If you want to go full on "take a proverb completely literally" planting a tree in January (in the northern hemisphere, far enough north) is probably a poor decision. I think the author assumes the reader isn't a computer.
    - Kinrany 7y ago
      I'm not sure I understand. I agree that it's a proverb, and I'm not taking it to literally mean tree planting. (I do think it means literally "now", but "now" is vague and depends on context.)
      - neltnerb 7y ago
        Sorry for not being clearer. I think the author intended "now" to be vague and dependent on context, and that the flexibility of such terms is part of what gives proverbs longevity. It's assumed the reader can infer the general meaning and adapt it to their situation. Plus it's poetic and succinct which makes it easier to remember. Consider the list of proverbs on this page from Aesop's Fables: http://aesop.magde.info/ http://aesop.magde.info/ Arguing about whether the unknown ancient author should have said "when optimal" rather than "now" does not improve the ability of the reader to understand the underlying meaning -- that if something should have been started long ago, urgency is appropriate and dwelling on the past is counterproductive.
        Kinrany 7y ago
vincent-toups 7y ago
I thought this was going to be about stockpiling sand because of semi-conductors.
- djsumdog 7y ago
  When I first started reading it, I thought he was going to tell us all the sand was gone or the beach was too polluted.
  - mc3 7y ago
    I definitely thought this would be climate change related, or perhaps something to do with carbon dating not being accurate since nukes.
djsumdog 7y ago
I once thought it'd be nice to do a blog post on all the cellphones I had owned, but after a ton of searching by year and type, I couldn't find photos of the two earliest cellphones I had. I scrapped the idea. I do have photos of most of my workstation/computer setups since I was in high school. I'm currently drafting a post on all my workstations, and while I was digging through photos and editing the post, I came across photos of my very first two cellphones; photos I had taken so I could put them on eBay in the early 2000s!!! I still have no idea what the model number of one of them is, but who cares?! I have a photo. I started to make a list of every phone I had since then! I'm glad I'm a data horder, even if I lose a ton of photos in the mess of my disorganization.
bradknowles 7y ago
I was thinking that this was related to https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2008/02/26/sand_wont_save_you_this_time https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2008/02/26/sa... However, I haven't actually been able to load the page yet.
- Symmetry 7y ago
  I was thinking it would be about people running out of easily accessible river sand for concrete.
informatimago 7y ago
and foremost, illegal: French tourists face jail term for stealing sand https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49394828 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49394828
- close04 7y ago
  > A French couple who were caught with 40kg (90lb) of Sardinian sand in their car I imagined they took a tiny vial of sand as a memento. This is not that. P.S. There's an extra ">" at the end of the URL.
  - nck4222 7y ago
    Regardless of legality, you shouldn't be taking sand as a souvenir. Beaches are a natural resource for both people (recreation) and animals/plants. They provide food, breading grounds, habitats... Leave no trace.
  - scarejunba 7y ago
    This is bizarre. Too much for a souvenir. Too little for industrial use. What an odd thing to do.
  - heavenlyblue 7y ago
    You can imagine how many vials of Sardinian sand you van sell from 40kg of it
- gherkinnn 7y ago
  Sand theft is a thing, you know? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_theft https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_theft
andrewla 7y ago
The page does not render correctly; something to do with the logo loading. For reference, here's the brief story told: > It’s too late to collect sand > When I was 13, my family went to California. We walked along a beach near Mendocino. I’d never seen black sand before. I wanted to bring some home. > So I got a ziplock bag from my mom, scooped some sand into it, and put it in my backpack. > When I got back to Birmingham, I put it in a jar and placed it on my bookshelf. “Cool,” I thought. > But I only had one jar. It wasn’t going to be “Really Cool” until I had a bunch of jars. > I was missing the jar of sand from the Gulf of Mexico. I was missing the jar of sand from the Caribbean. I was missing the jar of sand from the Eastern Shore in Virginia. > “I’ve been to so many beaches already! And I never collected sand before now.” > So I scrapped the whole idea. What was the point in collecting jars of sand when I hadn’t started from the beginning? I’d never recover from missing the jars I could’ve already had. > What a ridiculous thought. > I fall for this trap repeatedly. > “I haven’t been keeping a journal since childhood, I’m missing so much.” > “I didn’t blog the first half of my trip, so what’s the point in the second half?” > “I haven’t been keeping track of contacts in a CRM, I’m missing so many people!” > “I haven’t been running, I’m so far behind.”
- _0vzt 7y ago
  I'm responsible for hosting the website (I'm not the author of the post). Just wanted to say sorry for the outage. Issue was triggered by an aggressive uptime monitor which was freaking out at some slower-than-usual response times mid-HN-hug. Will tweak the uptime monitor
  - secondbreakfast 7y ago
    (Author here). ^I host my blog on blot.im - it is an amazing service, and fully recommend it. Thanks David!
  - thaumasiotes 7y ago
    > Just wanted to say sorry for the outage. Issue was triggered by an aggressive uptime monitor which was freaking out at some slower-than-usual response times mid-HN-hug. What is the theory behind this? If response times are too slow, how is terminating service supposed to help? Who is it supposed to help?
dmd 7y ago
This is why I started guitar lessons at 41. At 30, I didn't because I was upset with myself for not starting when I was 20, and now it was "too late" somehow.
- secondbreakfast 7y ago
  I am this way about learning Spanish. Hard to focus only a day at a time.
  - travisjungroth 7y ago
    Do what I did and move to Mexico. Then you’re constantly aware your Spanish isn’t improving.
    - secondbreakfast 7y ago
      I've considered living in CDMX for a while for the food people and language. Where in Mexico do/did you live?
      - travisjungroth 7y ago
        I was in Playa del Carmen for a few months. Not a nice place, but great scuba diving. Now I’m in CDMX. It’s great.
- fossuser 7y ago
  The funny part about this one is that you can go from zero to really good with under two years of focused practice. Most people don't do focused practice over time because when you're actually forcing yourself to learn and get better at the edge of your ability it's hard. I think people get better in the beginning when they know nothing, but once they know a few things most people just plateau at the level where they can play the couple of things that they know without forcing themselves to get better. Children mostly are forced to do it, with all the advantages and disadvantages of that process. All this is to say in the majority of cases you can trivially catch up if you're interested in learning a new skill.
makach 7y ago
It's never to late to collect sand, but don't be a hoarder. Did you know that sand is a precious commodity? https://www.businessinsider.com/global-sand-shortage-could-cause-damaging-effects-2018-12?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/global-sand-shortage-could-c... Don't have regrets, they move the focus away from today and your future. Mostly, live in the now. Things are just things, appreciate the living. All things can be replaced, the living can not.
fouc 7y ago
It's an interesting sort of retroactive procrastination. Procrastinating because you missed the subjective "optimal time" to begin.
- secondbreakfast 7y ago
  That's a unique way of viewing it, cool.
- TheGrassyKnoll 7y ago
  As a big league procrastinator, it's just another tool in the toolbox.
JadoJodo 7y ago
I just finished David Epstein's 'Range' last night, and one of his admonitions in the conclusion seemed pertinent: > "Don't feel behind. ...Compare yourself to yourself yesterday, not to younger people who aren't you. Everyone progresses at a different rate, so don't let anyone else [including you] make you feel behind. You probably don't even know where exactly you're going, so feeling behind doesn't help." He also notes a number of athletes and musicians who started "late", including Steve Nash and Sviatoslav Richter.
- rumanator 7y ago
  Apparently Steve Nash started playing at 12yo. That hardly passes off as starting late.
  - LeonB 7y ago
    Compared to the Tiger Woods' school of thought where you put a golf club in the hands on an infant it's very late.
  - deleted 7y ago
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- JohnFen 7y ago
  The person I keep in mind on this topic of "it's never too late" is Colonel Sanders. At the age of 65, he was destitute and living in his car. Then he started Kentucky Fried Chicken. It's never too late.
PHGamer 7y ago
well in some cases it is, given our sand mining for silicon lol. but no i get the point of the article. even if your behind now. start, dont fall for the trap its too late.
blakespot 7y ago
"Collect what?" "Collect sand."
homonculus1 7y ago
Take only memories, leave only footprints. Please do not remove sand from beaches.

neltnerb 7y ago

“The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.”

0xff00ffee 7y ago
I was at a lecture once and the speaker recited a hypothetical conversation he had once had: "Someone asked me, 'When is the right time to plant a tree?' I responded, '20 years ago.'"... But it ended there, he never followed up with your second sentence. Odd, because that's way more salient! However, what surprised me was that some in the audience took it as a defeatist statement, while others took at is motivation. It seemed clear to me that it was intended to be motivational. How could this anecdote be defeatist? I still don't understand that sentiment. Literally every day is ANOTHER chance to start a habit, trend, experiment, set a goal, etc. that you forgot to do yesterday. For me that's a relief because I'm always forgetting shit. Maybe forgetting that last sentence makes it seem doomed.
- neltnerb 7y ago
  Yeah, I admit it's easy to get into the mindset that you're already doomed because of reason after reason after reason. Just look at how people respond to climate change... well, or to people posting their hobby projects on less friendly aggregators than HN (though we fall victim to the "well I'd have done it this other way better" incredibly disheartening responses to someone teaching themselves a new skill and wanting to show people). The tree quote (ancient Chinese proverb, I do not know more specific origins) is especially salient given that you're not planting the tree to make the planet better today, you're doing it so that future generations can benefit because it's the least you can do. But for most things the timeframe is shorter; I've seen 60 year olds start karate for the first time and 80 year olds go to college. The important part is to not get in your own way with a defeatist attitude. Not wishful thinking, you'll still have to work hard to get to where you wish you were. And as a disabled person I also know that sometimes it really just isn't practical. But it's important to remember that how you spend your life is for you, not to impress other people.
  - 0xff00ffee 7y ago
    > ...and wanting to show people I still don't quite get this need to show strangers. I've had it explained to me, but I'm pretty sure it is part of a cultural shift, i.e. I'm old. Like, if stranger's approval is needed, doesn't that mean you're LESS likely to do something since it isn't guaranteed? Or maybe it is easier to start something BECAUSE there are so m any strangers willing to offer support. Either way it seems like putting success/fail in the hands of external forces. > Not wishful thinking, you'll still have to work hard to get to where you wish you were. Yeah, exactly. The accomplishments in my life with the most meaning are the hardest ones. But I don't know if that's universal. I read the book "Flow" in 1991 and it changed my life, and your quote is kinda the central thesis. : : Ironically, I planted four trees last year and three haven't started to bud yet (the fourth one is), which means I prolly killed them. Maybe still too wintry. /sigh/
    - JohnFen 7y ago
      > I still don't quite get this need to show strangers. I've had it explained to me, but I'm pretty sure it is part of a cultural shift, i.e. I'm old. I'm a graybeard, too, and I share your lack of understanding about this. The only time that I feel it's important to "show people" stuff is when I'm wanting to learn or reinforce my own understanding of it. I've found a lot of truth to the old saw that the best way to learn something is to teach it to someone else.
      - titzer 7y ago
        The shift happened gradually, then all at once. Nowadays the Instagram generation is literally obsessed with showing people everything, all the time...the bottom of the barrel being, of course, the fishface selfie, which I find infuriating. It didn't start with Facebook, but it really picked up speed. That was a platform that really penetrated into people's social circles, gave people an effortless way to post photos of themselves right from their phones, and generally created little fiefdoms of social following. We can blame platforms, and I do, a lot, but the capacity for narcissism has been latent in human nature for a long time.
    - 7y ago
- JohnFen 7y ago
  > Maybe forgetting that last sentence makes it seem doomed. That's how I read it. Without the last sentence, the statement is reads as totally defeatist to me -- it seems to say "you should have planted the tree 20 years ago, then. Too late now!"
Kinrany 7y ago
I don't find this proverb convincing. The best time may be only marginally better than the actual second best time. It's main value is that it's a personal Schelling point (see also [1]) for doing the thing. "Now" is not a good Schelling point because it's the same as "in a minute" or "in an hour". [1]: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Kbm6QnJv9dgWsPHQP/schelling-fences-on-slippery-slopes https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Kbm6QnJv9dgWsPHQP/schelling-...
- neltnerb 7y ago
  It's a proverb? From ancient China? If you want to go full on "take a proverb completely literally" planting a tree in January (in the northern hemisphere, far enough north) is probably a poor decision. I think the author assumes the reader isn't a computer.
  - Kinrany 7y ago
    I'm not sure I understand. I agree that it's a proverb, and I'm not taking it to literally mean tree planting. (I do think it means literally "now", but "now" is vague and depends on context.)
    - neltnerb 7y ago
      Sorry for not being clearer. I think the author intended "now" to be vague and dependent on context, and that the flexibility of such terms is part of what gives proverbs longevity. It's assumed the reader can infer the general meaning and adapt it to their situation. Plus it's poetic and succinct which makes it easier to remember. Consider the list of proverbs on this page from Aesop's Fables: http://aesop.magde.info/ http://aesop.magde.info/ Arguing about whether the unknown ancient author should have said "when optimal" rather than "now" does not improve the ability of the reader to understand the underlying meaning -- that if something should have been started long ago, urgency is appropriate and dwelling on the past is counterproductive.
      - Kinrany 7y ago

vincent-toups 7y ago

I thought this was going to be about stockpiling sand because of semi-conductors.

djsumdog 7y ago
When I first started reading it, I thought he was going to tell us all the sand was gone or the beach was too polluted.
- mc3 7y ago
  I definitely thought this would be climate change related, or perhaps something to do with carbon dating not being accurate since nukes.

djsumdog 7y ago

I once thought it'd be nice to do a blog post on all the cellphones I had owned, but after a ton of searching by year and type, I couldn't find photos of the two earliest cellphones I had. I scrapped the idea. I do have photos of most of my workstation/computer setups since I was in high school. I'm currently drafting a post on all my workstations, and while I was digging through photos and editing the post, I came across photos of my very first two cellphones; photos I had taken so I could put them on eBay in the early 2000s!!! I still have no idea what the model number of one of them is, but who cares?! I have a photo. I started to make a list of every phone I had since then! I'm glad I'm a data horder, even if I lose a ton of photos in the mess of my disorganization.

bradknowles 7y ago

I was thinking that this was related to https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2008/02/26/sand_wont_save_you_this_time https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2008/02/26/sa... However, I haven't actually been able to load the page yet.

Symmetry 7y ago
I was thinking it would be about people running out of easily accessible river sand for concrete.

informatimago 7y ago

and foremost, illegal: French tourists face jail term for stealing sand https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49394828 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49394828

close04 7y ago
> A French couple who were caught with 40kg (90lb) of Sardinian sand in their car I imagined they took a tiny vial of sand as a memento. This is not that. P.S. There's an extra ">" at the end of the URL.
- nck4222 7y ago
  Regardless of legality, you shouldn't be taking sand as a souvenir. Beaches are a natural resource for both people (recreation) and animals/plants. They provide food, breading grounds, habitats... Leave no trace.
- scarejunba 7y ago
  This is bizarre. Too much for a souvenir. Too little for industrial use. What an odd thing to do.
- heavenlyblue 7y ago
  You can imagine how many vials of Sardinian sand you van sell from 40kg of it
gherkinnn 7y ago
Sand theft is a thing, you know? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_theft https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_theft

andrewla 7y ago

The page does not render correctly; something to do with the logo loading. For reference, here's the brief story told: > It’s too late to collect sand > When I was 13, my family went to California. We walked along a beach near Mendocino. I’d never seen black sand before. I wanted to bring some home. > So I got a ziplock bag from my mom, scooped some sand into it, and put it in my backpack. > When I got back to Birmingham, I put it in a jar and placed it on my bookshelf. “Cool,” I thought. > But I only had one jar. It wasn’t going to be “Really Cool” until I had a bunch of jars. > I was missing the jar of sand from the Gulf of Mexico. I was missing the jar of sand from the Caribbean. I was missing the jar of sand from the Eastern Shore in Virginia. > “I’ve been to so many beaches already! And I never collected sand before now.” > So I scrapped the whole idea. What was the point in collecting jars of sand when I hadn’t started from the beginning? I’d never recover from missing the jars I could’ve already had. > What a ridiculous thought. > I fall for this trap repeatedly. > “I haven’t been keeping a journal since childhood, I’m missing so much.” > “I didn’t blog the first half of my trip, so what’s the point in the second half?” > “I haven’t been keeping track of contacts in a CRM, I’m missing so many people!” > “I haven’t been running, I’m so far behind.”

_0vzt 7y ago
I'm responsible for hosting the website (I'm not the author of the post). Just wanted to say sorry for the outage. Issue was triggered by an aggressive uptime monitor which was freaking out at some slower-than-usual response times mid-HN-hug. Will tweak the uptime monitor
- secondbreakfast 7y ago
  (Author here). ^I host my blog on blot.im - it is an amazing service, and fully recommend it. Thanks David!
- thaumasiotes 7y ago
  > Just wanted to say sorry for the outage. Issue was triggered by an aggressive uptime monitor which was freaking out at some slower-than-usual response times mid-HN-hug. What is the theory behind this? If response times are too slow, how is terminating service supposed to help? Who is it supposed to help?

dmd 7y ago

This is why I started guitar lessons at 41. At 30, I didn't because I was upset with myself for not starting when I was 20, and now it was "too late" somehow.

secondbreakfast 7y ago
I am this way about learning Spanish. Hard to focus only a day at a time.
- travisjungroth 7y ago
  Do what I did and move to Mexico. Then you’re constantly aware your Spanish isn’t improving.
  - secondbreakfast 7y ago
    I've considered living in CDMX for a while for the food people and language. Where in Mexico do/did you live?
    - travisjungroth 7y ago
      I was in Playa del Carmen for a few months. Not a nice place, but great scuba diving. Now I’m in CDMX. It’s great.
fossuser 7y ago
The funny part about this one is that you can go from zero to really good with under two years of focused practice. Most people don't do focused practice over time because when you're actually forcing yourself to learn and get better at the edge of your ability it's hard. I think people get better in the beginning when they know nothing, but once they know a few things most people just plateau at the level where they can play the couple of things that they know without forcing themselves to get better. Children mostly are forced to do it, with all the advantages and disadvantages of that process. All this is to say in the majority of cases you can trivially catch up if you're interested in learning a new skill.

makach 7y ago

It's never to late to collect sand, but don't be a hoarder. Did you know that sand is a precious commodity? https://www.businessinsider.com/global-sand-shortage-could-cause-damaging-effects-2018-12?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/global-sand-shortage-could-c... Don't have regrets, they move the focus away from today and your future. Mostly, live in the now. Things are just things, appreciate the living. All things can be replaced, the living can not.

fouc 7y ago

It's an interesting sort of retroactive procrastination. Procrastinating because you missed the subjective "optimal time" to begin.

secondbreakfast 7y ago
That's a unique way of viewing it, cool.
TheGrassyKnoll 7y ago
As a big league procrastinator, it's just another tool in the toolbox.

JadoJodo 7y ago

I just finished David Epstein's 'Range' last night, and one of his admonitions in the conclusion seemed pertinent: > "Don't feel behind. ...Compare yourself to yourself yesterday, not to younger people who aren't you. Everyone progresses at a different rate, so don't let anyone else [including you] make you feel behind. You probably don't even know where exactly you're going, so feeling behind doesn't help." He also notes a number of athletes and musicians who started "late", including Steve Nash and Sviatoslav Richter.

rumanator 7y ago
Apparently Steve Nash started playing at 12yo. That hardly passes off as starting late.
- LeonB 7y ago
  Compared to the Tiger Woods' school of thought where you put a golf club in the hands on an infant it's very late.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
JohnFen 7y ago
The person I keep in mind on this topic of "it's never too late" is Colonel Sanders. At the age of 65, he was destitute and living in his car. Then he started Kentucky Fried Chicken. It's never too late.

PHGamer 7y ago

well in some cases it is, given our sand mining for silicon lol. but no i get the point of the article. even if your behind now. start, dont fall for the trap its too late.

blakespot 7y ago

"Collect what?" "Collect sand."

homonculus1 7y ago

Take only memories, leave only footprints. Please do not remove sand from beaches.