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How is it even a "rival"? Apple does not make server-grade CPUs. Nuvia does not compete with them at all. I hope to dear god Apple fails at this.

by m0zg 7y ago

ricefield 7y ago
Nuvia makes _chips_ for servers, not the servers themselves. Given that Apple also makes chips, it seems like a pretty fair argument
- m0zg 7y ago
  >> Apple also makes chips But not _for servers_. It's like saying Qualcomm is a rival of Intel when it comes to CPUs. The two do not overlap at all.
  - akhilcacharya 7y ago
    ...but...they do? Qualcomm Centriq directly competes with Xeons (or is intended to) and they build wireless solutions for devices and until recently directly competed on smartphone modems!
    - m0zg 7y ago
      Such a powerful rival, I wasn't even aware of the competing product. OK, pick another one of three dozen ARM manufacturers as an example.
  - ricefield 7y ago
    1) I think Apple could easily argue it was planning on leveraging it's chip design and manufacturing expertise into other areas. That's pretty reasonable. I could be seem them exploring licensing some of their IP to other manufacturers for example - ARM servers are gaining traction and Apple is a leader in the ARM space 2) Seems like the whole "rival" piece is not material to the lawsuit itself and is just a bit of editorializing on Reuters' part. The lawsuit probably centers on duty of loyalty and breach of contract
  - kayson 7y ago
    I agree that Nuvia doesn't compete with Apple but Qualcomm is actually a rival of Intel now because of their 8cx platform that's going into ultrabooks.
rconti 7y ago
Mac Pro Rack: https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-pro/rack https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-pro/rack
- ricefield 7y ago
  Wow, TIL. Does this even make sense financially for anyone?
  - zweep 7y ago
    Sure, if you're a creative professional or Mac developer you are probably making at a minimum 20x the cost of this box. If you're in an office a rack mount helps save a lot of desk space, which more than pays for itself. Also lets you get away from the sound.
  - rconti 7y ago
    Looks like it starts at only $500 more than the desktop version but I didn't bother comparing specs. I have a friend with a 192GB new Mac Pro he's using for video production and he's currently testing it and finds it outperforms his HP Z8, he's very happy so far.
    - m0zg 7y ago
      Does it have the same CPU as Z8? Because if it does, I don't see how it would "outperform" Z8. It's a PC, in a nice, expensive machined case.
      - rconti 7y ago
        It actually has a slower CPU, and fewer of them, according to him. But these kinds of machines are where GPUs, architecture, and software all come into play. Cores, bus speeds, subsystem speeds. There's vastly more to computer performance than the reductionist "It's a PC, in a nice, expensive machined case". In fact, that sounds condescending and dismissive rather than a comment in search of enlightenment.

How is it even a "rival"? Apple does not make server-grade CPUs. Nuvia does not compete with them at all. I hope to dear god Apple fails at this.

by m0zg 7y ago

How is it even a "rival"? Apple does not make server-grade CPUs. Nuvia does not compete with them at all. I hope to dear god Apple fails at this.

ricefield 7y ago

Nuvia makes _chips_ for servers, not the servers themselves. Given that Apple also makes chips, it seems like a pretty fair argument

m0zg 7y ago
>> Apple also makes chips But not _for servers_. It's like saying Qualcomm is a rival of Intel when it comes to CPUs. The two do not overlap at all.
- akhilcacharya 7y ago
  ...but...they do? Qualcomm Centriq directly competes with Xeons (or is intended to) and they build wireless solutions for devices and until recently directly competed on smartphone modems!
  - m0zg 7y ago
    Such a powerful rival, I wasn't even aware of the competing product. OK, pick another one of three dozen ARM manufacturers as an example.
- ricefield 7y ago
  1) I think Apple could easily argue it was planning on leveraging it's chip design and manufacturing expertise into other areas. That's pretty reasonable. I could be seem them exploring licensing some of their IP to other manufacturers for example - ARM servers are gaining traction and Apple is a leader in the ARM space 2) Seems like the whole "rival" piece is not material to the lawsuit itself and is just a bit of editorializing on Reuters' part. The lawsuit probably centers on duty of loyalty and breach of contract
- kayson 7y ago
  I agree that Nuvia doesn't compete with Apple but Qualcomm is actually a rival of Intel now because of their 8cx platform that's going into ultrabooks.

rconti 7y ago

Mac Pro Rack: https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-pro/rack https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-pro/rack

ricefield 7y ago
Wow, TIL. Does this even make sense financially for anyone?
- zweep 7y ago
  Sure, if you're a creative professional or Mac developer you are probably making at a minimum 20x the cost of this box. If you're in an office a rack mount helps save a lot of desk space, which more than pays for itself. Also lets you get away from the sound.
- rconti 7y ago
  Looks like it starts at only $500 more than the desktop version but I didn't bother comparing specs. I have a friend with a 192GB new Mac Pro he's using for video production and he's currently testing it and finds it outperforms his HP Z8, he's very happy so far.
  - m0zg 7y ago
    Does it have the same CPU as Z8? Because if it does, I don't see how it would "outperform" Z8. It's a PC, in a nice, expensive machined case.
    - rconti 7y ago
      It actually has a slower CPU, and fewer of them, according to him. But these kinds of machines are where GPUs, architecture, and software all come into play. Cores, bus speeds, subsystem speeds. There's vastly more to computer performance than the reductionist "It's a PC, in a nice, expensive machined case". In fact, that sounds condescending and dismissive rather than a comment in search of enlightenment.