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EDIT: My apologies. I was overcome with a bout of head-in-ass-syndrome.

trcollinson 7y ago
Actually, I think it's your tone. There are other people who are expressing similar ideas in this thread and are being upvoted. I'll also correct you, since your last statement is wrong. I procrastinate a lot. I am also extremely successful by most measures. I have a lot of education and an advanced degree. I have started companies and sold them. I have worked for VCs. I consult. I make a lot more money than almost anyone else in the world by percentage. I did ALL of those things while fighting with and tackling procrastination. And sometimes, I lose. I lose really hard. I procrastinate for weeks on important things that could take minutes. I am glad you don't have these social anxieties and disorders. But they are quite real and take real work to get past. Successful people are not those who don't procrastinate. Successful people are those who take challenges and find ways to work around them.
RickS 7y ago
First, the other commenters are correct. Your tone is needlessly hostile. Would you talk to a cashier like this? Or a peer at work? I hope not. Anyway, related to your actual post – you said: > Buckle up and get it done, it's that simple. Would you tell a depressed person > Cheer up and go outside, it's that simple. If so, what evidence do you have that this is an effective treatment? If not, what makes the two situations (w/r/r "culpability" for ones cognitive abilities) different?
- 0xff00ffee 7y ago
  >> Buckle up and get it done, it's that simple. > Would you tell a depressed person Yes I would absolutely tell that to a depressed person. And I have said it. I was depressed for a decade. And yet people spoke to me this way, because that's life. I was on antidepressants. I took care of my problem(s) and I still got my job done while struggling, medicating, and going to therapy. A big part of therapy was learning to separate "them" from "me" in my internal dialog. You know what? I'm glad someone spoke to me that way. It got me up and motivated to work on myself. I can't imagine how poorly I would have turned out if I was coddled and allowed to stay in bed and read about all of these new pop-psych diseases I could blame. But that's just me. Maybe I can reach someone the way I was reached. However, you are conflating two completely unrelated things. I am not responsible for your internal mental state, nor is anyone responsible for mine. This is a crucial skill that I believe is sorely lacking.
  - blurri 7y ago
    > You know what? I'm glad someone spoke to me that way. It got me up and motivated to work on myself. I can't imagine how poorly I would have turned out if I was coddled and allowed to stay in bed and read about all of these new pop-psych diseases I could blame. But that's just me. Maybe I can reach someone the way I was reached. I think that is the problem. Maybe it is just you. The language you use, coddling, and how you speak of mental diseases as if it's some made up thing suggest maybe you weren't going through what others are going through. > Maybe I can reach someone the way I was reached. I doubt it. I read your first comment and then the edit, and thought maybe you'd come to your senses, but no. You do lack empathy and understanding. You sound very like your not trying to reach some one, instead, you're trying to tell them how it is from your point of view. No empathy. People actually suffering don't need that from you.
    - 0xff00ffee 7y ago
      I'm sure some people who have beaten depression might say, "I'm glad I received empathy, kind words, and gentle encouragement; it helped me get over it." Others will say, "I needed a kick in the ass to get my life on track." I'm in the latter camp. Sounds like you're in the former. You can have empathy in both cases. Don't accidentally confuse "empathy" with "enabling."
quickthrower2 7y ago
Maybe you need to suspended disbelief, and imagine that it is possible that people do have mental health issues with various causes, perhaps genetic or because of trauma, and that some of those issues might cause people to "procrastinate", which I have put in quotes as it sounds like a pejorative anyway. I am interested where your viewpoint comes form, can you elaborate? Maybe you are trolling? Or in your experience of life, people and your own mind can you bootstrap your way out of anything going on in your mind?

Actually, I think it's your tone. There are other people who are expressing similar ideas in this thread and are being upvoted. I'll also correct you, since your last statement is wrong. I procrastinate a lot. I am also extremely successful by most measures. I have a lot of education and an advanced degree. I have started companies and sold them. I have worked for VCs. I consult. I make a lot more money than almost anyone else in the world by percentage. I did ALL of those things while fighting with and tackling procrastination. And sometimes, I lose. I lose really hard. I procrastinate for weeks on important things that could take minutes. I am glad you don't have these social anxieties and disorders. But they are quite real and take real work to get past. Successful people are not those who don't procrastinate. Successful people are those who take challenges and find ways to work around them.

RickS 7y ago

First, the other commenters are correct. Your tone is needlessly hostile. Would you talk to a cashier like this? Or a peer at work? I hope not. Anyway, related to your actual post – you said: > Buckle up and get it done, it's that simple. Would you tell a depressed person > Cheer up and go outside, it's that simple. If so, what evidence do you have that this is an effective treatment? If not, what makes the two situations (w/r/r "culpability" for ones cognitive abilities) different?

0xff00ffee 7y ago
>> Buckle up and get it done, it's that simple. > Would you tell a depressed person Yes I would absolutely tell that to a depressed person. And I have said it. I was depressed for a decade. And yet people spoke to me this way, because that's life. I was on antidepressants. I took care of my problem(s) and I still got my job done while struggling, medicating, and going to therapy. A big part of therapy was learning to separate "them" from "me" in my internal dialog. You know what? I'm glad someone spoke to me that way. It got me up and motivated to work on myself. I can't imagine how poorly I would have turned out if I was coddled and allowed to stay in bed and read about all of these new pop-psych diseases I could blame. But that's just me. Maybe I can reach someone the way I was reached. However, you are conflating two completely unrelated things. I am not responsible for your internal mental state, nor is anyone responsible for mine. This is a crucial skill that I believe is sorely lacking.
- blurri 7y ago
  > You know what? I'm glad someone spoke to me that way. It got me up and motivated to work on myself. I can't imagine how poorly I would have turned out if I was coddled and allowed to stay in bed and read about all of these new pop-psych diseases I could blame. But that's just me. Maybe I can reach someone the way I was reached. I think that is the problem. Maybe it is just you. The language you use, coddling, and how you speak of mental diseases as if it's some made up thing suggest maybe you weren't going through what others are going through. > Maybe I can reach someone the way I was reached. I doubt it. I read your first comment and then the edit, and thought maybe you'd come to your senses, but no. You do lack empathy and understanding. You sound very like your not trying to reach some one, instead, you're trying to tell them how it is from your point of view. No empathy. People actually suffering don't need that from you.
  - 0xff00ffee 7y ago
    I'm sure some people who have beaten depression might say, "I'm glad I received empathy, kind words, and gentle encouragement; it helped me get over it." Others will say, "I needed a kick in the ass to get my life on track." I'm in the latter camp. Sounds like you're in the former. You can have empathy in both cases. Don't accidentally confuse "empathy" with "enabling."

quickthrower2 7y ago

Maybe you need to suspended disbelief, and imagine that it is possible that people do have mental health issues with various causes, perhaps genetic or because of trauma, and that some of those issues might cause people to "procrastinate", which I have put in quotes as it sounds like a pejorative anyway. I am interested where your viewpoint comes form, can you elaborate? Maybe you are trolling? Or in your experience of life, people and your own mind can you bootstrap your way out of anything going on in your mind?