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Why Engineers Are Better Off Joining Startups

16 points by atularora 16y ago

yuvadam 16y ago
TFA discusses why engineers are better off joining a startup rather then some bigco. Why not take it further, and explain why joining a startup is better starting one?
- wallflower 16y ago
  > why joining a startup is better starting one? To answer your question, I think this personal story from YouTube co-founder Chad Hurley is valuable. > But the executive team made up for nonmastery of details with unwavering vision, which inspired the troops. At his San Bruno, Calif., office, YouTube CEO Hurley remembers his PayPal days as an education in business. When he arrived in California with a degree in art from Indiana University of Pennsylvania, building a successful company seemed like something other people did. "You never think it could happen to you," says Hurley. "But seeing Peter and Max and the guys come up with ideas and seeing how to make things work gave me a lot of insight. You may not have a business degree, but you see how to put the process into effect. The experience helped me realize the payoff of being involved in a startup." http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/13/magazines/fortune/paypal_mafia.fortune/index3.htm http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/13/magazines/fortune/paypal_maf...
toxicflavor 16y ago
I would say the only startup worth working on is your own. Working at someone else's startup is a recipe for getting exploited - overworked and underpaid. And the worst thing about it is that it's all couched in an atmosphere of guilt trips and taking-it-for-the-team. Perhaps there are exceptions. I just haven't seen any. I'd rather work for The Man in my day job in a cold corporate environment where everything is explicit from the get-go, get well paid for it and crank out code for my own startup in my free time.
- wallflower 16y ago
  > I'd rather work for The Man in my day job in a cold corporate environment where everything is explicit from the get-go, get well paid for it and crank out code for my own startup in my free time. I agree (for now). Cautionary, related thread: "Does my company have IP rights to the stuff I do in my spare time?" http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2208056 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2208056
  - toxicflavor 16y ago
    Questions about IP rights for side projects only becomes an issue if your outside work is traceable to you. There's not much discussion in that thread of flying under the radar.
    - jat850 16y ago
      I don't know that flying under the radar is a sound legal or business strategy (at least not forever).
- shareme 16y ago
  Here are some stats: Small business failure rates 45% Startup Failure rates 95% The actual path is target starting very small but scalable small business than use that base to implement the startup. The big problem is that self interest towards being debt free and controlling one's future is the opposite of what it takes to long-term R&D startup shots.. Europe got the balance wrong in over-guaranteeing workers rights and worth. But what would be the right balance?
  - icey 16y ago
    Do you have any citations for those stats?
- homecoded 16y ago
  I totally agree! I'd even go one step further and say that you'll be "overworked and underpaid" even at your own start-up. I just had that. No fun! Right now I am going back to a regular day job. And I'm actually looking forward to it. I'm still going to work on new projects ... but I'll do that in my spare-time also.
acgourley 16y ago
A lot of these discussions gloss over the fact that engineers can have wildly different personalities and life circumstances. At least in SV where all engineers seem aware of their opportunities to start a business, work at startupco, or work at bigco, they efficiently sort themselves into the buckets they should be in.
- zwieback 16y ago
  ... and interests. If you're in software there's a lot more flexibility but if you're going to build something with complex electronics or even mechanical elements you may be better off at a larger or even huge company.

16 points by atularora 16y ago

TFA discusses why engineers are better off joining a startup rather then some bigco. Why not take it further, and explain why joining a startup is better starting one?

wallflower 16y ago
> why joining a startup is better starting one? To answer your question, I think this personal story from YouTube co-founder Chad Hurley is valuable. > But the executive team made up for nonmastery of details with unwavering vision, which inspired the troops. At his San Bruno, Calif., office, YouTube CEO Hurley remembers his PayPal days as an education in business. When he arrived in California with a degree in art from Indiana University of Pennsylvania, building a successful company seemed like something other people did. "You never think it could happen to you," says Hurley. "But seeing Peter and Max and the guys come up with ideas and seeing how to make things work gave me a lot of insight. You may not have a business degree, but you see how to put the process into effect. The experience helped me realize the payoff of being involved in a startup." http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/13/magazines/fortune/paypal_mafia.fortune/index3.htm http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/13/magazines/fortune/paypal_maf...

toxicflavor 16y ago

I would say the only startup worth working on is your own. Working at someone else's startup is a recipe for getting exploited - overworked and underpaid. And the worst thing about it is that it's all couched in an atmosphere of guilt trips and taking-it-for-the-team. Perhaps there are exceptions. I just haven't seen any. I'd rather work for The Man in my day job in a cold corporate environment where everything is explicit from the get-go, get well paid for it and crank out code for my own startup in my free time.

wallflower 16y ago
> I'd rather work for The Man in my day job in a cold corporate environment where everything is explicit from the get-go, get well paid for it and crank out code for my own startup in my free time. I agree (for now). Cautionary, related thread: "Does my company have IP rights to the stuff I do in my spare time?" http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2208056 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2208056
- toxicflavor 16y ago
  Questions about IP rights for side projects only becomes an issue if your outside work is traceable to you. There's not much discussion in that thread of flying under the radar.
  - jat850 16y ago
    I don't know that flying under the radar is a sound legal or business strategy (at least not forever).
shareme 16y ago
Here are some stats: Small business failure rates 45% Startup Failure rates 95% The actual path is target starting very small but scalable small business than use that base to implement the startup. The big problem is that self interest towards being debt free and controlling one's future is the opposite of what it takes to long-term R&D startup shots.. Europe got the balance wrong in over-guaranteeing workers rights and worth. But what would be the right balance?
- icey 16y ago
  Do you have any citations for those stats?
homecoded 16y ago
I totally agree! I'd even go one step further and say that you'll be "overworked and underpaid" even at your own start-up. I just had that. No fun! Right now I am going back to a regular day job. And I'm actually looking forward to it. I'm still going to work on new projects ... but I'll do that in my spare-time also.

acgourley 16y ago

A lot of these discussions gloss over the fact that engineers can have wildly different personalities and life circumstances. At least in SV where all engineers seem aware of their opportunities to start a business, work at startupco, or work at bigco, they efficiently sort themselves into the buckets they should be in.

zwieback 16y ago
... and interests. If you're in software there's a lot more flexibility but if you're going to build something with complex electronics or even mechanical elements you may be better off at a larger or even huge company.