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So now Nokia's decision to replace Symbian has nothing to do with a careful analysis of the situation, but everything to do with keeping $3 million dollars wort

So now Nokia's decision to replace Symbian has nothing to do with a careful analysis of the situation, but everything to do with keeping $3 million dollars worth of Microsoft stock on the up for 1 man? I have not seen 1 insightful post since this FUD has been spreading. It's amazing how much petty hatred is out there towards Microsoft... I don't even think this has anything to do with Microsoft itself, but rather with people's psychological need to create conspiracies, to see themselves as the little guy fighting the big guy, and pretend that they have knowledge / can see what other's can't.

kashif 16y ago
Seriously? This is a clear case of conflict of interest. The scary thing is that you might be right about 'So now Nokia's decision to replace Symbian has nothing to do with a careful analysis of the situation, but everything to do with keeping $3 million dollars worth of Microsoft stock on the up for 1 man'
Zpirate 16y ago
Petty hatred? Microsoft made a lot of real enemies on the way up. Microsoft drove a lot of people out of business. Microsoft funded the massive expansion of H1B visas in the late 1990s by hiring Harris Miller to form the ITAA to bribe Congress, Clinton and Bush. We got outsourcing and Microsoft having a special subsidy that cost developers lots. [ source : Four Indian IT outsourcers topped the 2008 list of companies obtaining H-1B visas - http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Management/Indian-Outsourcing-Firms-Top-H1B-Visa-Grants/ http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Management/Indian-Outsourcing-Fi... ]. Microsoft acted like Walmart for 15 years : destroying their American competition and suppliers. Now that they're looking for buddies. They're scraping the bottom of the barrel for alliances: SCO, Novell and now Nokia. Sleep with Redmond and you die. This may save Nokia from bankruptcy in the short run and enrich some executives, but it spells doom in the long run. The fear is well justified.
portman 16y ago
And by the way, the ownership table that is linked to isn't even CORRECT. Not even remotely. Sinofsky isn't listed, and just 2 weeks ago he reported 737,000 shares, which would make him #4 on that list. [1] Ray Ozzie has just under 1 million shares, and again he's not listed. [2] The way you assemble these kinds of tables is by mining the SEC filing Form 4, "Statement of Changes in Beneficial Ownership of Securities". But you have to include every Form 4 for your data to be at all accurate. So already we can see that Elop is #9, and that's just by me guessing two people who seemed conspicuously absent. There could be dozens of others. And don't forget that non-executives don't have to report their shares. I would bet a few grands that there are senior developers who have been working at Microsoft for 15 or 20 years who own more than $3M in stock. In fact, I just cast my first ever "flag" vote on HN. (With gusto, I might add.) This doesn't deserve the #1 slot. [1] http://google.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=7676817-1025-11161&type=sect&TabIndex=2&companyid=8528&ppu=%252fdefault.aspx%253fsym%253dmsft http://google.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?... [2] http://biz.yahoo.com/t/12/7827.html http://biz.yahoo.com/t/12/7827.html
Xpirate 16y ago
petty hatred? Microsoft made a lot of enemies bullying their way to the top. Much of the enmity and fear is well placed. Microsoft acted like Walmart for 15 years destroying their competition and their suppliers. Many remember getting run out of business by these guys. It's not petty, it's payback.
Xpirate 16y ago
Pardon for the comment. I will likely be voted out of existence. Regardless, before that happens and you can see this comment ... is there a contingent gaming the scores? Perhaps paid trollers? How did this get 48 points? A post that's basicly saying "criticism of Microsoft is petty" getting cheered like it's the Gettysburg address? I smell something fishy going on.

kashif 16y ago

Seriously? This is a clear case of conflict of interest. The scary thing is that you might be right about 'So now Nokia's decision to replace Symbian has nothing to do with a careful analysis of the situation, but everything to do with keeping $3 million dollars worth of Microsoft stock on the up for 1 man'

Zpirate 16y ago

Petty hatred? Microsoft made a lot of real enemies on the way up. Microsoft drove a lot of people out of business. Microsoft funded the massive expansion of H1B visas in the late 1990s by hiring Harris Miller to form the ITAA to bribe Congress, Clinton and Bush. We got outsourcing and Microsoft having a special subsidy that cost developers lots. [ source : Four Indian IT outsourcers topped the 2008 list of companies obtaining H-1B visas - http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Management/Indian-Outsourcing-Firms-Top-H1B-Visa-Grants/ http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Management/Indian-Outsourcing-Fi... ]. Microsoft acted like Walmart for 15 years : destroying their American competition and suppliers. Now that they're looking for buddies. They're scraping the bottom of the barrel for alliances: SCO, Novell and now Nokia. Sleep with Redmond and you die. This may save Nokia from bankruptcy in the short run and enrich some executives, but it spells doom in the long run. The fear is well justified.

portman 16y ago

And by the way, the ownership table that is linked to isn't even CORRECT. Not even remotely. Sinofsky isn't listed, and just 2 weeks ago he reported 737,000 shares, which would make him #4 on that list. [1] Ray Ozzie has just under 1 million shares, and again he's not listed. [2] The way you assemble these kinds of tables is by mining the SEC filing Form 4, "Statement of Changes in Beneficial Ownership of Securities". But you have to include every Form 4 for your data to be at all accurate. So already we can see that Elop is #9, and that's just by me guessing two people who seemed conspicuously absent. There could be dozens of others. And don't forget that non-executives don't have to report their shares. I would bet a few grands that there are senior developers who have been working at Microsoft for 15 or 20 years who own more than $3M in stock. In fact, I just cast my first ever "flag" vote on HN. (With gusto, I might add.) This doesn't deserve the #1 slot. [1] http://google.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=7676817-1025-11161&type=sect&TabIndex=2&companyid=8528&ppu=%252fdefault.aspx%253fsym%253dmsft http://google.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?... [2] http://biz.yahoo.com/t/12/7827.html http://biz.yahoo.com/t/12/7827.html

Xpirate 16y ago

petty hatred? Microsoft made a lot of enemies bullying their way to the top. Much of the enmity and fear is well placed. Microsoft acted like Walmart for 15 years destroying their competition and their suppliers. Many remember getting run out of business by these guys. It's not petty, it's payback.

Xpirate 16y ago

Pardon for the comment. I will likely be voted out of existence. Regardless, before that happens and you can see this comment ... is there a contingent gaming the scores? Perhaps paid trollers? How did this get 48 points? A post that's basicly saying "criticism of Microsoft is petty" getting cheered like it's the Gettysburg address? I smell something fishy going on.