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Whether or not you officially "privatize" them police departments having to insure themselves, pay their own lawsuits, justify their expenses (i.e. departments

Whether or not you officially "privatize" them police departments having to insure themselves, pay their own lawsuits, justify their expenses (i.e. departments that don't need APCs probably wouldn't have them) and deliver sufficiently high quality service that their customers don't decide to hire someone else to do the job and generally behave like a business that cannot rely on always being propped up by the city/state is a wet dream of many (dare I say most) people seeking police reform.

jimktrains2 7y ago
While this doesn't invalidate your point entirely, I have never met a person who want the police run as if they fear being replaced by a different agency. Everyone I have ever meant who want police reform, at their core, want accountability and a lesser reliance of lethal weapons as a primary tool. There are other topics depending on where you come from, e.g. racial diversity, but I've yet to meet someone who wants the police to act like a private force.
- billfruit 7y ago
  Yes, but a thought is that if police were private they would have liability for their actions which perhaps is stronger than accountability in someways.
  - notabee 7y ago
    Let's take a little trip down memory lane about what deadly force in the hands of private corporations looks like: https://timeline.com/rockefellers-hired-militias-to-shoot-at-strikers-in-ludlow-massacre-115ae488164c https://timeline.com/rockefellers-hired-militias-to-shoot-at...
  - chungus_khan 7y ago
    If that were really the case I would imagine PMCs like Blackwater would face a lot more consequences for war crimes than they actually have.
    - billfruit 7y ago
      May be if they commit such crimes where the rule of law is in effect, they might face civil action.
    - Proziam 7y ago
      They change names every chance they get it seems. I recalled that they went to Xe, but that's not accurate any more either. It's incredibly twisted how easy it is for them to get away with literal murder, but if the wrong person aggravates the wrong cop it can ruin your life.

jimktrains2 7y ago

While this doesn't invalidate your point entirely, I have never met a person who want the police run as if they fear being replaced by a different agency. Everyone I have ever meant who want police reform, at their core, want accountability and a lesser reliance of lethal weapons as a primary tool. There are other topics depending on where you come from, e.g. racial diversity, but I've yet to meet someone who wants the police to act like a private force.

billfruit 7y ago
Yes, but a thought is that if police were private they would have liability for their actions which perhaps is stronger than accountability in someways.
- notabee 7y ago
  Let's take a little trip down memory lane about what deadly force in the hands of private corporations looks like: https://timeline.com/rockefellers-hired-militias-to-shoot-at-strikers-in-ludlow-massacre-115ae488164c https://timeline.com/rockefellers-hired-militias-to-shoot-at...
- chungus_khan 7y ago
  If that were really the case I would imagine PMCs like Blackwater would face a lot more consequences for war crimes than they actually have.
  - billfruit 7y ago
    May be if they commit such crimes where the rule of law is in effect, they might face civil action.
  - Proziam 7y ago
    They change names every chance they get it seems. I recalled that they went to Xe, but that's not accurate any more either. It's incredibly twisted how easy it is for them to get away with literal murder, but if the wrong person aggravates the wrong cop it can ruin your life.