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It does not. Probably the decisions are not thought out that well. In the end these things haunt them for years. Look at m$, even after all the years of open so

It does not. Probably the decisions are not thought out that well. In the end these things haunt them for years. Look at m$, even after all the years of open sourcing, contributing and etc. they are still not trusted. Few other examples pop to my mind: medium.com, oracle, google (graveyard), ethereum (fork), 2016+ apple keyboards and so on

tachion 7y ago
Except that it doesn't really matter and most people in general don't care because they don't know. Say what you want about Microsoft, but the fact is the world runs on Windows and MS Office with exceptions for fraction of macs and some weird geeks running some funny penguin systems. Not only that, but if you're young enough you never had a chance to experience the 'evil Microsoft'. Same goes in similar fashion for other companies you've mentioned: Oracle/Ethereum - what's that? Google - the world runs on it and Gmail. Apple keyboards - 'it works for me' and so on and so forth, sadly.
- Paianni 7y ago
  I think it's more that actively boycotting companies and their products causes stress that many don't want to bother with, especially when there's no practical alternative. Accepting the norms is less socially confrontational.
- perceptronas 7y ago
  I do agree with you on general point. However, I don't think reputations are to be dealt in absolutes. I would like to discuss your points one by one: > Microsoft * MS Office is still the best office suite as of today, I don't think anyone would argue. * Windows is still the most 'compatible' and 'easy to use' OS today for non-apple hardware. I don't think penguin system users will argue. This is coming from someone who used linux with breaks for 10~ years. It is still _hard_ to get it working as it was years ago. However, for years I heard many developers refusing to consider anything .NET, MSSQL,... related to be picked for tech stacks due microsoft history and current ecosystem. Money definitely lost on their part > Oracle * Same, tech people refusing to get involved with Oracle due their litigious nature. Money definitely lost > Ethereum * I am not the best person to talk about this and this might not be the example. Fork reduced my trust in cryptos in general as my expectations were different. > Google * Gmail is great email service. On top of that free. Same with Google search. However I would argue that Google new products which "lock you in" will not be as popular because of their abandonment of many services > Apple keyboards * This is more personal, but I saw similar experiences from others. Terrible keyboard, terrible replacement keyboard reduced my trust so much that I moved from their ecosystem. This is on top that components were soldered resulting in non modular expensive laptops (can't replace it myself fast/cheap). Money definitely lost on their part Edit: formatting
m-p-3 7y ago
Considering MS past tactic was to Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, I can understand why people are careful about Microsoft embracing open-source.
slightwinder 7y ago
Why should we trust them? They are still a company. They still do evil things. And even their open source-work is not always free of shame. It's true that they have become less ignorant and toxic, but they have not become good. They contribute for their own benefit, not some greater good. We can trust them today to the same degree we could trust them 20 years ago, except now the areas wher we can trust them have grown in numbers.

tachion 7y ago

Except that it doesn't really matter and most people in general don't care because they don't know. Say what you want about Microsoft, but the fact is the world runs on Windows and MS Office with exceptions for fraction of macs and some weird geeks running some funny penguin systems. Not only that, but if you're young enough you never had a chance to experience the 'evil Microsoft'. Same goes in similar fashion for other companies you've mentioned: Oracle/Ethereum - what's that? Google - the world runs on it and Gmail. Apple keyboards - 'it works for me' and so on and so forth, sadly.

Paianni 7y ago
I think it's more that actively boycotting companies and their products causes stress that many don't want to bother with, especially when there's no practical alternative. Accepting the norms is less socially confrontational.
perceptronas 7y ago
I do agree with you on general point. However, I don't think reputations are to be dealt in absolutes. I would like to discuss your points one by one: > Microsoft * MS Office is still the best office suite as of today, I don't think anyone would argue. * Windows is still the most 'compatible' and 'easy to use' OS today for non-apple hardware. I don't think penguin system users will argue. This is coming from someone who used linux with breaks for 10~ years. It is still _hard_ to get it working as it was years ago. However, for years I heard many developers refusing to consider anything .NET, MSSQL,... related to be picked for tech stacks due microsoft history and current ecosystem. Money definitely lost on their part > Oracle * Same, tech people refusing to get involved with Oracle due their litigious nature. Money definitely lost > Ethereum * I am not the best person to talk about this and this might not be the example. Fork reduced my trust in cryptos in general as my expectations were different. > Google * Gmail is great email service. On top of that free. Same with Google search. However I would argue that Google new products which "lock you in" will not be as popular because of their abandonment of many services > Apple keyboards * This is more personal, but I saw similar experiences from others. Terrible keyboard, terrible replacement keyboard reduced my trust so much that I moved from their ecosystem. This is on top that components were soldered resulting in non modular expensive laptops (can't replace it myself fast/cheap). Money definitely lost on their part Edit: formatting

m-p-3 7y ago

Considering MS past tactic was to Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, I can understand why people are careful about Microsoft embracing open-source.

slightwinder 7y ago

Why should we trust them? They are still a company. They still do evil things. And even their open source-work is not always free of shame. It's true that they have become less ignorant and toxic, but they have not become good. They contribute for their own benefit, not some greater good. We can trust them today to the same degree we could trust them 20 years ago, except now the areas wher we can trust them have grown in numbers.