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There's no atrocity people in free democratic societies won't do if their standard of living is threatened.

by ajuc 7y ago

jwr 7y ago
The sad thing is that it isn't even threatened. All the current wars that the US is fighting or starting are offensive, none of the countries invaded (or about to be attacked) are a threat to the US.
scotty79 7y ago
> There's no atrocity people in free democratic societies won't do if ... ... there are careers and money to be made.
Synaesthesia 7y ago
The “democratic society” ie general population was never consulted on this. We can blame the executive and the CIA.
- lotsofpulp 7y ago
  The democratic society doesn’t participate in elections for congress to enable them to control the executive. The people that do vote punish candidates who appear “soft” on “enemies”. Out of all the senators and representatives, there was just 1 that opposed giving the executive carte blanche authorization to do whatever it wants to whoever it wants after the Sep 11, 2001 attacks. She received tons and tons of hate mail and death threats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Lee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Lee
- tokai 7y ago
  Bush was reelected wasn't he?
- chmod775 7y ago
  You're either a democratic nation and thus accountable as a people to the outside world, or you're... not a democracy. How you assign blame internally is up to you.
- ajuc 7y ago
  Republican party did unjust war in Iraq and lied to the public to make it happen. It still exists as a mainstream party. Apparently people don't care. On the other hand having an affair is a reason to remove a president from the office :) Unless of course you like his racism enough :) The 2-party system is insane, it means no matter what you do you'll be the governing party in a decade or so anyway. So why not risk big? There's no consequences to fuckups. If you have no democratic control over your intelligence agencies then you don't live in a democracy.

There's no atrocity people in free democratic societies won't do if their standard of living is threatened.

by ajuc 7y ago

There's no atrocity people in free democratic societies won't do if their standard of living is threatened.

jwr 7y ago

The sad thing is that it isn't even threatened. All the current wars that the US is fighting or starting are offensive, none of the countries invaded (or about to be attacked) are a threat to the US.

scotty79 7y ago

> There's no atrocity people in free democratic societies won't do if ... ... there are careers and money to be made.

Synaesthesia 7y ago

The “democratic society” ie general population was never consulted on this. We can blame the executive and the CIA.

lotsofpulp 7y ago
The democratic society doesn’t participate in elections for congress to enable them to control the executive. The people that do vote punish candidates who appear “soft” on “enemies”. Out of all the senators and representatives, there was just 1 that opposed giving the executive carte blanche authorization to do whatever it wants to whoever it wants after the Sep 11, 2001 attacks. She received tons and tons of hate mail and death threats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Lee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Lee
tokai 7y ago
Bush was reelected wasn't he?
chmod775 7y ago
You're either a democratic nation and thus accountable as a people to the outside world, or you're... not a democracy. How you assign blame internally is up to you.
ajuc 7y ago
Republican party did unjust war in Iraq and lied to the public to make it happen. It still exists as a mainstream party. Apparently people don't care. On the other hand having an affair is a reason to remove a president from the office :) Unless of course you like his racism enough :) The 2-party system is insane, it means no matter what you do you'll be the governing party in a decade or so anyway. So why not risk big? There's no consequences to fuckups. If you have no democratic control over your intelligence agencies then you don't live in a democracy.