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This is a side note... There's no evidence that hypnosis is reliable, true. But "widespread perversion against children" as we now know, is not just probable,

This is a side note... There's no evidence that hypnosis is reliable, true. But "widespread perversion against children" as we now know, is not just probable, it's reality. 28% of children according to one study. No one really knows though, since it's of course one of the most underreported crimes. https://victimsofcrime.org/media/reporting-on-child-sexual-abuse/child-sexual-abuse-statistics https://victimsofcrime.org/media/reporting-on-child-sexual-a...

adrianN 7y ago
I'd like to know the exact questions asked to determine whether someone was sexually abused or not, but I have a hard time finding the studies cited in your link. As I interpret the text from your link, a teenager voluntarily sending nudes to their partner would count as sexually abused because they participated in the creation of child pornography.
- ben_w 7y ago
  Although that might be part of it, I don’t find 28% to be a surprise. One reason is that I’ve been told the age of consent in many places was 12 as recently as the Victorian era [0], and why would it be that low if there wasn’t a lot of people who wanted that? (It might just have been politicians who wanted that, but I fear that’s merely unjustified optimism). The other main reason is the number of women who tell me about traumatic experiences is high enough that it’s plausible all of them have been (there’s no reason for me to know about everyone’s history, so of course I believe I know someone who hasn’t told me and never will). Of course, this percentage does mean that the “think of the children” meme ought to put all children under 24-7 surveillance so that nobody can ever touch them. Side effects haven’t slowed that meme down before, why would it now? [0] I never cared to check, so I don’t know how many or when any given jurisdiction changed
  - beagle3 7y ago
    > and why would it be that low if there wasn’t a lot of people who wanted that? Not to detract from your other points, which I agree with, but ... according to e.g. [0], and I've found similar data in other places, life expectancy for a girl in the victorian era was ~40. So you can't judge the number 12 by today's standards. [0] https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-life-expectancy-like-during-Victorian-England https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-life-expectancy-like-duri...
    - throwawayhhakdl 7y ago
      Life expectancy includes infant and child mortality and thus is commonly misunderstood. Given that you’re already alive and healthy at age 12, your personal life expectancy is going to be higher than the population mean.
      - buckminster 7y ago
        Yes, the post-childhood life expectancy in Victorian England was 73. For all the money spent on medicine and public health we've barely moved it.
- watwut 7y ago
  That gymnastic doctor managed to have hunderds victims and it was during era where existence of child abuse was acknowledged as real thing. Also, see Lolita as a popular book.
allovernow 7y ago
I've long suspected that pedophilia and especially ephebophilia are far more common than anyone is willing to admit.

adrianN 7y ago

I'd like to know the exact questions asked to determine whether someone was sexually abused or not, but I have a hard time finding the studies cited in your link. As I interpret the text from your link, a teenager voluntarily sending nudes to their partner would count as sexually abused because they participated in the creation of child pornography.

ben_w 7y ago
Although that might be part of it, I don’t find 28% to be a surprise. One reason is that I’ve been told the age of consent in many places was 12 as recently as the Victorian era [0], and why would it be that low if there wasn’t a lot of people who wanted that? (It might just have been politicians who wanted that, but I fear that’s merely unjustified optimism). The other main reason is the number of women who tell me about traumatic experiences is high enough that it’s plausible all of them have been (there’s no reason for me to know about everyone’s history, so of course I believe I know someone who hasn’t told me and never will). Of course, this percentage does mean that the “think of the children” meme ought to put all children under 24-7 surveillance so that nobody can ever touch them. Side effects haven’t slowed that meme down before, why would it now? [0] I never cared to check, so I don’t know how many or when any given jurisdiction changed
- beagle3 7y ago
  > and why would it be that low if there wasn’t a lot of people who wanted that? Not to detract from your other points, which I agree with, but ... according to e.g. [0], and I've found similar data in other places, life expectancy for a girl in the victorian era was ~40. So you can't judge the number 12 by today's standards. [0] https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-life-expectancy-like-during-Victorian-England https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-life-expectancy-like-duri...
  - throwawayhhakdl 7y ago
    Life expectancy includes infant and child mortality and thus is commonly misunderstood. Given that you’re already alive and healthy at age 12, your personal life expectancy is going to be higher than the population mean.
    - buckminster 7y ago
      Yes, the post-childhood life expectancy in Victorian England was 73. For all the money spent on medicine and public health we've barely moved it.
watwut 7y ago
That gymnastic doctor managed to have hunderds victims and it was during era where existence of child abuse was acknowledged as real thing. Also, see Lolita as a popular book.

allovernow 7y ago

I've long suspected that pedophilia and especially ephebophilia are far more common than anyone is willing to admit.