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GDPR opt out rate is well well under 1%.

by taurath 7y ago

kelnos 7y ago
What does that even mean? GDPR requires companies to request that people opt in to information gathering.
- martin_a 7y ago
  And in reality, as long as no fear-mongering fines are handed out, companies will try to bypass it. There would be ways to get control over this, but law is slow.
- kevsim 7y ago
  IANAL, but this is not entirely true. Under GDPR data can be used by claiming "legitimate interest" [0]. In the case of legitimate interest, the user needs to opt-out rather than opt-in. 0: https://www.gdpreu.org/the-regulation/key-concepts/legitimate-interest/ https://www.gdpreu.org/the-regulation/key-concepts/legitimat...
- leni536 7y ago
  I rarely see opt in GDPR popups, it's typically "accept tracking" or "more options...", the latter seemingly sending you down an infinite rabbit hole. Well, now that I think about it, this might count as opt in, but this is definitely a dark pattern.
  - lokedhs 7y ago
    This is supposedly not allowed under the GDPR, but we're going to have to wait a while before this is actually tried in court.
    - tyfon 7y ago
      It's not, the consumer advocate in Norway has already released one report on the subject [1, PDF] Pushing all this through the legal system will take some time but the watchdogs in different countries are not sitting idle. [1] https://fil.forbrukerradet.no/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/2018-06-27-deceived-by-design-final.pdf https://fil.forbrukerradet.no/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/201...
  - mnw21cam 7y ago
    The other thing I often see is an "accept tracking" button, and a tiny "more options" link that just goes to a page explaining how to switch off cookies on your browser. I'm pretty sure that's not OK with GDPR as well.
zwaps 7y ago
Cause at this stage opting out included navigating many stages of dark pattern and deceptive pages, including semi hidden links and fake slow progress bars. Even on the biggest sites. If, and I say If, these gangsters ever get hit with major fines, and we get the simple yes/no option that a few pages have, then it will be better. Right now, the ad industry (or should i say Mafia) is trying to actively circumvent this legislation
baq 7y ago
1% of 1 million is 10k people.

GDPR opt out rate is well well under 1%.

kelnos 7y ago

What does that even mean? GDPR requires companies to request that people opt in to information gathering.

martin_a 7y ago
And in reality, as long as no fear-mongering fines are handed out, companies will try to bypass it. There would be ways to get control over this, but law is slow.
kevsim 7y ago
IANAL, but this is not entirely true. Under GDPR data can be used by claiming "legitimate interest" [0]. In the case of legitimate interest, the user needs to opt-out rather than opt-in. 0: https://www.gdpreu.org/the-regulation/key-concepts/legitimate-interest/ https://www.gdpreu.org/the-regulation/key-concepts/legitimat...
leni536 7y ago
I rarely see opt in GDPR popups, it's typically "accept tracking" or "more options...", the latter seemingly sending you down an infinite rabbit hole. Well, now that I think about it, this might count as opt in, but this is definitely a dark pattern.
- lokedhs 7y ago
  This is supposedly not allowed under the GDPR, but we're going to have to wait a while before this is actually tried in court.
  - tyfon 7y ago
    It's not, the consumer advocate in Norway has already released one report on the subject [1, PDF] Pushing all this through the legal system will take some time but the watchdogs in different countries are not sitting idle. [1] https://fil.forbrukerradet.no/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/2018-06-27-deceived-by-design-final.pdf https://fil.forbrukerradet.no/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/201...
- mnw21cam 7y ago
  The other thing I often see is an "accept tracking" button, and a tiny "more options" link that just goes to a page explaining how to switch off cookies on your browser. I'm pretty sure that's not OK with GDPR as well.

zwaps 7y ago

Cause at this stage opting out included navigating many stages of dark pattern and deceptive pages, including semi hidden links and fake slow progress bars. Even on the biggest sites. If, and I say If, these gangsters ever get hit with major fines, and we get the simple yes/no option that a few pages have, then it will be better. Right now, the ad industry (or should i say Mafia) is trying to actively circumvent this legislation

baq 7y ago

1% of 1 million is 10k people.