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With the growing amount of consciousness towards ethically-sourced meat, I'm not sure your statement is 100% true

by tomc1985 7y ago

MperorM 7y ago
When surveyed, most people respond that the meat they buy is ethically sourced but it is rarely the case. Most meat that is claimed to be ethically sourced is far from it. Worse yet, the places where demand is growing the fastest, are places with minimal concern for how the animals are treated.
chc 7y ago
"Ethically sourced meat" is essentially a marketing gimmick. It generally doesn't denote conditions that are meaningfully different from "normal" meat.
- tomc1985 7y ago
  So, you're saying that farm-raised, open-pasture, free-range, or other titles are meaningless? I don't think that is true when the labels are used honestly
  - vlan0 7y ago
    >So, you're saying that farm-raised, open-pasture, free-range, or other titles are meaningless? Yes. 1)A knife is still shoved into their throats so they bleed out. 2)You can get all the nutrients you need in a plant-based diet.
  - chc 7y ago
    Legally speaking, yes. AFAIK the only one of those terms that carries any legal requirements is "free-range," which is defined only for poultry, and the requirement there is literally just "has had access to the outside," without any stipulations on how much of its life that access applied to or what "outside" means (so, for example, a small patch of pavement behind the factory is totally free-range).
MiroF 7y ago
there's no "ethically sourced" meat that doesn't involve that sort of pain/suffering
- tomc1985 7y ago
  Nature isn't exactly painless with how it sources its meat either. Hell it can be (and often is) downright cruel. Just because we should strive not to subject animals to the same level of suffering as nature can, doesn't mean that all animal slaughter is bad
  - vlan0 7y ago
    This is a straw man, and not an argument against the comment you replied to.
    - tomc1985 7y ago
      And how exactly is that a strawman? How is a quick death not better than the slow, agonizingly prolonged deaths that predators often give to their prey? I question your knowledge of nature if you don't seem to be willing to recognize its sheer gruesome capriciousness?

With the growing amount of consciousness towards ethically-sourced meat, I'm not sure your statement is 100% true

When surveyed, most people respond that the meat they buy is ethically sourced but it is rarely the case. Most meat that is claimed to be ethically sourced is far from it. Worse yet, the places where demand is growing the fastest, are places with minimal concern for how the animals are treated.

chc 7y ago

"Ethically sourced meat" is essentially a marketing gimmick. It generally doesn't denote conditions that are meaningfully different from "normal" meat.

tomc1985 7y ago
So, you're saying that farm-raised, open-pasture, free-range, or other titles are meaningless? I don't think that is true when the labels are used honestly
- vlan0 7y ago
  >So, you're saying that farm-raised, open-pasture, free-range, or other titles are meaningless? Yes. 1)A knife is still shoved into their throats so they bleed out. 2)You can get all the nutrients you need in a plant-based diet.
- chc 7y ago
  Legally speaking, yes. AFAIK the only one of those terms that carries any legal requirements is "free-range," which is defined only for poultry, and the requirement there is literally just "has had access to the outside," without any stipulations on how much of its life that access applied to or what "outside" means (so, for example, a small patch of pavement behind the factory is totally free-range).

MiroF 7y ago

there's no "ethically sourced" meat that doesn't involve that sort of pain/suffering

tomc1985 7y ago
Nature isn't exactly painless with how it sources its meat either. Hell it can be (and often is) downright cruel. Just because we should strive not to subject animals to the same level of suffering as nature can, doesn't mean that all animal slaughter is bad
- vlan0 7y ago
  This is a straw man, and not an argument against the comment you replied to.
  - tomc1985 7y ago
    And how exactly is that a strawman? How is a quick death not better than the slow, agonizingly prolonged deaths that predators often give to their prey? I question your knowledge of nature if you don't seem to be willing to recognize its sheer gruesome capriciousness?