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Nokia to cut thousands of jobs, Google reminds it is hiring

49 points by ainsleyb 16y ago

tommi 16y ago
Positions available in Finland: Engineering Operations & Management (7) Enterprise (5) Marketing and Communications (1) Sales (6) Hardly work for the thousands.
- stcredzero 16y ago
  Realistically, Google or any smart competitor just wants the top 20% or so of the disaffected Nokia employees.
trezor 16y ago
Google still running its PR-stunt after having its OS rejected. But hey, it's Google so lets completely ignore that and give them credit like we wouldn't give any other company!
- l0nwlf 16y ago
  Alas, the better of the OS was rejected.
  - jarek 16y ago
    Define "better."
    - rbanffy 16y ago
      The one users actually want?
      - maukdaddy 16y ago
        Silly hackers; users don't want an OS. Users want a product that works, is easy to understand, and looks good.
        rbanffy 16y ago
        > Users want a product that works Like WP7?
        mariusmg 16y ago
        Exactly. A OS with high usability which works. NOT a phone OS which has a frigging process explorer !!
stcredzero 16y ago
Since Nokia's dropped the ball, Google should poach Nokia employees and go for an end-run around Apple, Microsoft, and the rest of the competition in the 3rd world. Find a way to deliver rich services and develop a healthy developer ecosystem on dumb phones. (feature phones) Right now, people in developing countries are using services like banking over SMS the way we now use web apps and smartphone apps. This tells me there's latent demand. By blurring the line between smart phones and feature phones, you can entirely undercut the smart phones. Get in there first, with less capable but cheaper phones people can actually afford, with services delivered more comfortably than SMS and with more cultural sensitivity than the usual outside company. As Moore's law continues to make processing power cheaper, the line between smart phones and dumb ones will blur, while at the same time, the citizens of the developing nations will become more affluent. Such a "blur phone" product and ecosystem will have already undercut the smartphones before they're even as real as a pipe dream and will have entrenched power of a network effect.
- ZeroGravitas 16y ago
  Google already has this plan in motion, with no need for Nokia or ex-Nokia employees. It's not really a big secret either as Schmidt is always going on about getting the next billion online. Part of the reason Nokia is hurting is that they have been severely disrupted at the low-end. The dumphone became an absolute commodity. Elop specifically name-checked MediaTek in his burning platforms memo as the designer of the standardized innards for these no-name, white-box manufacturers: "Let’s not forget about the low-end price range. In 2008, MediaTek supplied complete reference designs for phone chipsets, which enabled manufacturers in the Shenzhen region of China to produce phones at an unbelievable pace. By some accounts, this ecosystem now produces more than one third of the phones sold globally - taking share from us in emerging markets." Guess what MediaTek are now selling? That's right, the same thing but for Android. Here's there PR for the latest version: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/mwc2011-mediatek-announces-the-mt6573---innovative-platform-for-mainstream-smartphones-115785184.html http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/mwc2011-mediatek-ann... "MediaTek is launching the MT6573 platform to address the accelerating demand for smartphones with features that can delight users at price points that meet the needs of operators in developed markets and consumers in emerging markets."
pmoehring 16y ago
There are no real details about how many jobs will be cut, or where. The quote "20.000 is a pretty significant number in Finland" seems to be related to the total number of Nokia jobs in Finland, not the amount to be cut. I think it's safe to say that the majority of jobs will be cut elsewhere, since Nokia will do all but severe any relationships with the government that has treated them very well. Now as for Google's announcement - easy, right? Just a short notice and piggybacking for some PR. They are pissed for obvious reasons, so it's an understandable move (although their reactions were remarkably snark). Overall, pretty sensationalist reporting, which is even more obvious when seeing how the writer dances along the fine line of using big numbers without clear language.

49 points by ainsleyb 16y ago

tommi 16y ago

Positions available in Finland: Engineering Operations & Management (7) Enterprise (5) Marketing and Communications (1) Sales (6) Hardly work for the thousands.

stcredzero 16y ago
Realistically, Google or any smart competitor just wants the top 20% or so of the disaffected Nokia employees.

trezor 16y ago

Google still running its PR-stunt after having its OS rejected. But hey, it's Google so lets completely ignore that and give them credit like we wouldn't give any other company!

l0nwlf 16y ago
Alas, the better of the OS was rejected.
- jarek 16y ago
  Define "better."
  - rbanffy 16y ago
    The one users actually want?
    - maukdaddy 16y ago
      Silly hackers; users don't want an OS. Users want a product that works, is easy to understand, and looks good.
      - rbanffy 16y ago
        > Users want a product that works Like WP7?
        mariusmg 16y ago
        Exactly. A OS with high usability which works. NOT a phone OS which has a frigging process explorer !!

stcredzero 16y ago

Since Nokia's dropped the ball, Google should poach Nokia employees and go for an end-run around Apple, Microsoft, and the rest of the competition in the 3rd world. Find a way to deliver rich services and develop a healthy developer ecosystem on dumb phones. (feature phones) Right now, people in developing countries are using services like banking over SMS the way we now use web apps and smartphone apps. This tells me there's latent demand. By blurring the line between smart phones and feature phones, you can entirely undercut the smart phones. Get in there first, with less capable but cheaper phones people can actually afford, with services delivered more comfortably than SMS and with more cultural sensitivity than the usual outside company. As Moore's law continues to make processing power cheaper, the line between smart phones and dumb ones will blur, while at the same time, the citizens of the developing nations will become more affluent. Such a "blur phone" product and ecosystem will have already undercut the smartphones before they're even as real as a pipe dream and will have entrenched power of a network effect.

ZeroGravitas 16y ago
Google already has this plan in motion, with no need for Nokia or ex-Nokia employees. It's not really a big secret either as Schmidt is always going on about getting the next billion online. Part of the reason Nokia is hurting is that they have been severely disrupted at the low-end. The dumphone became an absolute commodity. Elop specifically name-checked MediaTek in his burning platforms memo as the designer of the standardized innards for these no-name, white-box manufacturers: "Let’s not forget about the low-end price range. In 2008, MediaTek supplied complete reference designs for phone chipsets, which enabled manufacturers in the Shenzhen region of China to produce phones at an unbelievable pace. By some accounts, this ecosystem now produces more than one third of the phones sold globally - taking share from us in emerging markets." Guess what MediaTek are now selling? That's right, the same thing but for Android. Here's there PR for the latest version: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/mwc2011-mediatek-announces-the-mt6573---innovative-platform-for-mainstream-smartphones-115785184.html http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/mwc2011-mediatek-ann... "MediaTek is launching the MT6573 platform to address the accelerating demand for smartphones with features that can delight users at price points that meet the needs of operators in developed markets and consumers in emerging markets."

pmoehring 16y ago

There are no real details about how many jobs will be cut, or where. The quote "20.000 is a pretty significant number in Finland" seems to be related to the total number of Nokia jobs in Finland, not the amount to be cut. I think it's safe to say that the majority of jobs will be cut elsewhere, since Nokia will do all but severe any relationships with the government that has treated them very well. Now as for Google's announcement - easy, right? Just a short notice and piggybacking for some PR. They are pissed for obvious reasons, so it's an understandable move (although their reactions were remarkably snark). Overall, pretty sensationalist reporting, which is even more obvious when seeing how the writer dances along the fine line of using big numbers without clear language.