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Doesn't help when it's a pilot who wants to crash the plane. Further, that makes it impossible for anyone to intervene in that case.

dmix 7y ago
Nor when we give licences and large vans/trucks to people who want to crash them. It's about managing risk and historically most hijackings have been by passengers and there is no significant loss to securing it with passenger jets having two pilots (ie, if one passes out), its win-win. Meanwhile the vast majority of what the TSA and a significant-enough chunk of what security agencies do is pure theater, in exchange for a significant headaches and loss of privacy/dignity/time/etc of citizens who fund and technically support such organizations - and everyone else visiting the country as it deters plenty of tourism and business travel.
kayfox 7y ago
Screening of pilots for various issues, mental and performance wise, has increased substantially since 9/11 as well.
- AWildC182 7y ago
  Fuck no it hasn't... The FAA still systematically pulls medicals for mental health issues rather than allowing treatment. If your livelihood and a couple hundred thousand dollars of debt depend on it, you'll conceal extreme depression just fine. Pilots are terrified of getting help and an absurd proportion of the community is suffering from depression as a result.
maximente 7y ago
what are you saying here? you would argue that cabin should not be secure, so as to guard against a hypothetical attacker who completes professional pilot certification and gets a job as a copilot for the sake of (hopefully) overcoming the captain 1 versus 1 and brings down the plane? because that seems ridiculous
- avip 7y ago
  I think he's subtly referencing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525
AWildC182 7y ago
Hence having two or three of them up there. They can't all be suicidal...

dmix 7y ago

Nor when we give licences and large vans/trucks to people who want to crash them. It's about managing risk and historically most hijackings have been by passengers and there is no significant loss to securing it with passenger jets having two pilots (ie, if one passes out), its win-win. Meanwhile the vast majority of what the TSA and a significant-enough chunk of what security agencies do is pure theater, in exchange for a significant headaches and loss of privacy/dignity/time/etc of citizens who fund and technically support such organizations - and everyone else visiting the country as it deters plenty of tourism and business travel.

kayfox 7y ago

Screening of pilots for various issues, mental and performance wise, has increased substantially since 9/11 as well.

AWildC182 7y ago
Fuck no it hasn't... The FAA still systematically pulls medicals for mental health issues rather than allowing treatment. If your livelihood and a couple hundred thousand dollars of debt depend on it, you'll conceal extreme depression just fine. Pilots are terrified of getting help and an absurd proportion of the community is suffering from depression as a result.

maximente 7y ago

what are you saying here? you would argue that cabin should not be secure, so as to guard against a hypothetical attacker who completes professional pilot certification and gets a job as a copilot for the sake of (hopefully) overcoming the captain 1 versus 1 and brings down the plane? because that seems ridiculous

avip 7y ago
I think he's subtly referencing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

AWildC182 7y ago

Hence having two or three of them up there. They can't all be suicidal...