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Public Transport in Wuhan Suspended Due to Coronavirus Concerns

81 points by theseadroid 7y ago

supernova87a 7y ago
China needs to crackdown on the ridiculous open air weird animal markets, and have people stop sleeping with their goddamned poultry. Seafood, fine -- no one's breathing in fish feces, getting some squid diseases. But birds, reptiles, weird shit like that running around contaminating the air people are breathing. I've seen it firsthand. Please, enough already. It's demonstrably hurting their own interests at this point, after 3 recent outbreaks of world news-worthy diseases originating in such circumstances.
- MeltySmelty 7y ago
  it's basically a 3rd world country in most areas. good luck.
- tanilama 7y ago
  This. But seriously, you can't stop individual eating weird stuff. This might be more like a cultural issue. Somehow some people still believe eating wild exotic animal strengthen their body.
  - JshWright 7y ago
    Eating isn't the issue, and it's not the "exotic" animals that are generally the issue. It's the widespread exposure to large populations of animals that act as reservoirs for these viruses (where they can run through many, many generations very quickly and spread once a variant that is transmissible to humans pops up)
    - tanilama 7y ago
      I would argue it is the eating that creates a market and incentive for such encounter to happen in the first place.
      - JshWright 7y ago
        The previous Coronavirus (SARS) to come out of China was traced back to wild bats (that were not being sold in markets). It remains to be determined where 2019-nCoV originated. Most of the diseases that come out of China and spread to any great extent are avian or swine flus, which originate in chickens and pigs on massive, largely unregulated, farms.
        S_AU 7y ago
        I think when you compare the scale and scope of SARS with the WNV, I think there should be slightly less finger pointing. The US, North America and Europe are not immune to sharing their viruses globally. Lets not pretend 'the west' has the problem of virus control sorted. It starting there less often because there are less wild and animals around.
        JshWright 7y ago
        Oh absolutely. I don't necessarily agree with the top level comment (or at least I think it's incomplete, as you've described).
  - baybal2 7y ago
    Worse, a double digit chunk of population in China not only doesn't believe in Western medicine, but Western medical science as such, like really not believing in microbes... Unlike the popular notion, it's not only the "cultural revolution generation" of 60+ people. The amount of weird people believing in all kinds of cults, antivaxing, and trying treating cancers with yoga and unicorn poo peak in people in their forties. China is a picture of society where the type of loonies like "new agers" have won. TCM now gets peddled from Chinese state TV, just like a certain yoga practice was 20 years ago. When it will pass the boiling point, I feel TCM peddlers will get steamrolled just like them, but that's not gonna happen while Xi is standing in for it. Yes, Xi believes in TCM
    - vanadium 7y ago
      TCM, I assume, means Traditional Chinese Medicine.
    - gamblor956 7y ago
      I am not surprised that traditional Chinese medicine gets advertised in China. I would be very surprised if they started advertising traditional Indian medicine there though.
      - baybal2 7y ago
        The thing is it has never been in that position to begin with. Out of hand quackery is a relatively new phenomenon. Even just 20 years ago, "TCM" was still considered something only lunatical old people do. But then China opened, and new wave of weird novelties deluged the society: "new age" cults, antivaxers, hipsters, gurus, psychodelics, psychics, antiscience and other stuff like that. The contemporary brand of quackery has gotten into mainland China from... Hongkong out of all places. Back in times when just anything Honkongese was considered super cool in the mainland, quack pharmacies that were treated like jokes in HK somehow managed to slip in, and became the new fascination of Chinese nouveau riche, and a token sign for their "sophistication" And then over the time, it turned to out into what it is now, now being believed in quite seriously
      - hnick 7y ago
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- forkLding 7y ago
  This sounds like a first-world comment, those open-air markets form because the merchants are subsistence farmers or people living outside the city without a lot of money and have to travel into the city. The farming in China isn't as industrialized or corporatized as in America and you will encounter poorer farmers or small traders who basically sell at these markets without having to spend a lot of money for rent because it isn't a high-margin business. Think farmers' market but filled with poor farmers. These merchants aren't forming open-air markets for fun, it's because they have to. If you force them out, then you will end up destroying poor people's lives. The food and grocery companies in China who are selling in supermarkets are already in the supermarkets. EDIT: I dislike eating 'exotic' meats and discourage the practice, however there's a fine line when you enforce the ban live animal market policy. Note that it has been enacted in Wuhan when the disease started. I also support stronger regulations and animal protections on these live animal markets and am not deflecting blame from these live animal markets but straight-up banning is not the right solution.
  - whalesalad 7y ago
    At some point it’s the job of the government to protect people when they can’t protect themselves. Live and let live is fine until your actions are causing people to die all over the world due to completely new, evolved and deadly viruses. All the brutal shit starts in places like this where humans and animals are mixing in dirty environments and freak meetings literally birth a destructive new threat instantly. So on one hand you can interpret this as a “first world comment” but on the other hand you need to acknowledge that this level of negligence is no longer limited and isolated in scope to one tiny part of the world. It goes global overnight. There is absolutely no excuse for that.
    - forkLding 7y ago
      It's about tradeoffs, if you ban live animal markets all over China for long periods of time, you will instantly cause far greater destruction on peoples' daily lives in China as people will suffer from poverty. There's probably millions of people going to go hungry because they lost their source of income and poor farmers in China don't have that much social mobility to get another job.
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- infinity0 7y ago
  ITT: hypocrites talking shit about TCM, which is fair enough, but then making non-scientific assertions about how eating "weird" stuff - presumably, organs & animals they don't normally eat - causes diseases. PROTIP: it's actually microbes & other unsanitary conditions, and you can perfectly make "weird" stuff clean (& tasty). Go read a book, lol. Apparently TCM is quite popular in Switzerland, I have no idea why...
- oiasdjfoiasd 7y ago
  Jesus, the ignorance and naivety of this comment lmao. Have you ever left your home?
- deleted 7y ago
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- anon463637 7y ago
  Although true, Western meat agriculture isn't similar but different: zillions of animals, stacked one on the other and humans going in to clean up after them getting all that waste all over them. Either way, it's a bioreactor for evolving a pandemic. This is likely how we acquired many horrible persistent diseases: smallpox, avian flu, influenza, measles and many more.
leptoniscool 7y ago
Isn't this overreacting? In the US, the common flu has killed up to 61,000 people each year. This new virus has so far only killed 15 as of 2020/1/22. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
- mc32 7y ago
  It depends on the lethality and whether or not they have vaccines to counter the threat posed. Also, we understand the flu. This virus and how it spreads and so on isn’t well understood yet, so I think caution is in order.
- Anon84 7y ago
  Yes and no. 1. This is a new virus, so you're less likely to have even partial immunity (in contrast, your immune system has been fighting variants of the flu virus for decades). 2. These are still early days so the numbers of infected/dead aren't reliable but the mortality seems to be a couple orders of magnitude higher. What this means is that if it spreads to as many people as the yearly flu virus does every year probably 10-100x more people will die. 3. It's good to keep an eye out whenever a new virus makes the species jump (as this one just did). It will likely fizzle out, but you never know.
- freewizard 7y ago
  You have to look at the CFR(case fatality rate) and how wide it will be spreading. For flu, case fatality rate is usually <0.1% [1]. As comparison, SARS in 2003 is 15% [2]. This time it's still developing (17 of 444 as of today[3]) so hard to know for sure, but nature of this 2019-nCoV virus is close to SARS. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_pandemic [2] https://www.who.int/csr/sars/archive/2003_05_07a/en/ https://www.who.int/csr/sars/archive/2003_05_07a/en/ [3] http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-01/22/c_138727379.htm http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-01/22/c_138727379.htm
- tidenly 7y ago
  The unknown quantity factor of it is what's scary. How lethal and fast it will spread, etc.
cs702 7y ago
Earlier today, researchers at Imperial College in London estimated that a total of 4,000 cases of Coronavirus in Wuhan City (with an uncertainty range of 1,000 to 9,700) had onset of symptoms by January 18. This compares with a Chinese government report of 440 confirmed cases as of January 21: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/news--wuhan-coronavirus/ https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-ana... According to the Imperial College researchers: "Exit screening (which reportedly came into force on the 15th January) had no impact on exported cases reported up to 16th January. Exit screening may have reduced exports in recent days, in which case our baseline prediction may be an underestimate of the true number of cases in Wuhan." The researchers also write: "We assume all cases in travelers flying to destinations outside mainland China are being detected at those destinations. This may well not be the case. If cases are being missed in other countries, our baseline prediction will underestimate the true number of cases in Wuhan." If anyone has more recent or higher-quality data or information (especially if it contradicts the Imperial estimates), please post it here!
- perennate 7y ago
  Are you sure 440 is an estimate? According to LA Times that is the number of cases reported. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-01-21/anxiety-over-coronavirus-rises-as-millions-of-chinese-travel-for-the-lunar-new-year https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-01-21/anxiety-...
  - cs702 7y ago
    Changed. I meant to write report. The 440 cases are officially confirmed. Thanks!
- taiwanboy 7y ago
  Up to date map with numbers (in Chinese) https://3g.dxy.cn/newh5/view/pneumonia?scene=2&clicktime=1579582238&enterid=1579582238&from=timeline&isappinstalled=0 https://3g.dxy.cn/newh5/view/pneumonia?scene=2&clicktime=157... Affected: 549 (left most number) Death: 17 (right most number) You can tell from the map that most of China now has affected patients. Also important: 14 patients in Beijing, 26!! Patients in Guangdong and 9 patients in shanghai. That means the coronavirus has already broke out of containment in major cities in China. And because of the 10x gap in aforementioned estimate vs government under reporting, the number is likely 10x is large. https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/eshyhl/as_families_tell_of_pneumonialike_deaths_in_wuhan/ https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/eshyhl/as_famili... No one should be traveling to China right now, period.
awillen 7y ago
The last two books I read were Station 11 and Severance, and they make it tough not to be at least a little paranoid about this. Great books, though.
hker 7y ago
It is reported that some Chinese are taking antipyretics to suppress symptoms of fever to evade quarantine checks, to get into other places like France (in traditional Chinese [1] and Google translated [2]), Japan (in traditional Chinese [3] and Google translated [4]) or other cities in China (in simplified Chinese [5]). Edit: change one source. [1]: http://www.rfi.fr/tw/中國/20200122-武漢發熱女承認用退燒藥降溫後入境法國 http://www.rfi.fr/tw/中國/20200122-武漢發熱女承認用退燒藥降溫後入境法國 [2]: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rfi.fr%2Ftw%2F中國%2F20200122-武漢發熱女承認用退燒藥降溫後入境法國 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%... [3]: https://hk.on.cc/hk/bkn/cnt/news/20200116/bkn-20200116084329841-0116_00822_001.html https://hk.on.cc/hk/bkn/cnt/news/20200116/bkn-20200116084329... [4]: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fhk.on.cc%2Fhk%2Fbkn%2Fcnt%2Fnews%2F20200116%2Fbkn-20200116084329841-0116_00822_001.html https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https... [5]: https://i.lih.kg/540/https://na.cx/i/U1uhtVv.jpg https://i.lih.kg/540/https://na.cx/i/U1uhtVv.jpg
- ETHisso2017 7y ago
  Three of your four non-duplicative sources are LTN or LIHKG, which are both extremely biased against China. I'd take what you're hearing with a grain of salt.
  - hker 7y ago
    Thanks for explaining reasons for downvote. I just changed one news source from LTN to a pro-Beijing news source Oriental Daily News, which reported the same news. Also, although the image (1 out of 3 non-duplicative sources) is hosted and curated by LIHKG, the image is allegedly a screenshot on Weibo (Chinese twitter), which unfortunately is behind a login wall and hence must be screenshot. I don't think Weibo is extremely biased against China, unless you're questioning the authenticity of the image, which yourself could verify by searching 逃離武漢 on Weibo. I hope people can engage in a civil discussion instead of/after downvoting.
aaron695 7y ago
Given this SARS 1.5 has already spread around the world, what's the mathematics behind this?
anon463637 7y ago
I've seen panic buying of face masks in Palo Alto and San Jose, mostly by people who appear of Chinese ancestry. I was doubtful on its efficacy, but it appears there is some benefit combined with hand-washing. It's probably a good idea to have hand sanitizer and face masks on-hand rather than waiting until they're sold out.
- fspeech 7y ago
  But it certainly has altruistic value: if you are a carrier, wearing a mask should greatly reduce the chance of infecting others.
nehagup 7y ago
Think about people who went there as a tourist and are suffering. ️

81 points by theseadroid 7y ago

China needs to crackdown on the ridiculous open air weird animal markets, and have people stop sleeping with their goddamned poultry. Seafood, fine -- no one's breathing in fish feces, getting some squid diseases. But birds, reptiles, weird shit like that running around contaminating the air people are breathing. I've seen it firsthand. Please, enough already. It's demonstrably hurting their own interests at this point, after 3 recent outbreaks of world news-worthy diseases originating in such circumstances.

MeltySmelty 7y ago
it's basically a 3rd world country in most areas. good luck.
tanilama 7y ago
This. But seriously, you can't stop individual eating weird stuff. This might be more like a cultural issue. Somehow some people still believe eating wild exotic animal strengthen their body.
- JshWright 7y ago
  Eating isn't the issue, and it's not the "exotic" animals that are generally the issue. It's the widespread exposure to large populations of animals that act as reservoirs for these viruses (where they can run through many, many generations very quickly and spread once a variant that is transmissible to humans pops up)
  - tanilama 7y ago
    I would argue it is the eating that creates a market and incentive for such encounter to happen in the first place.
    - JshWright 7y ago
      The previous Coronavirus (SARS) to come out of China was traced back to wild bats (that were not being sold in markets). It remains to be determined where 2019-nCoV originated. Most of the diseases that come out of China and spread to any great extent are avian or swine flus, which originate in chickens and pigs on massive, largely unregulated, farms.
      - S_AU 7y ago
        I think when you compare the scale and scope of SARS with the WNV, I think there should be slightly less finger pointing. The US, North America and Europe are not immune to sharing their viruses globally. Lets not pretend 'the west' has the problem of virus control sorted. It starting there less often because there are less wild and animals around.
        JshWright 7y ago
        Oh absolutely. I don't necessarily agree with the top level comment (or at least I think it's incomplete, as you've described).
- baybal2 7y ago
  Worse, a double digit chunk of population in China not only doesn't believe in Western medicine, but Western medical science as such, like really not believing in microbes... Unlike the popular notion, it's not only the "cultural revolution generation" of 60+ people. The amount of weird people believing in all kinds of cults, antivaxing, and trying treating cancers with yoga and unicorn poo peak in people in their forties. China is a picture of society where the type of loonies like "new agers" have won. TCM now gets peddled from Chinese state TV, just like a certain yoga practice was 20 years ago. When it will pass the boiling point, I feel TCM peddlers will get steamrolled just like them, but that's not gonna happen while Xi is standing in for it. Yes, Xi believes in TCM
  - vanadium 7y ago
    TCM, I assume, means Traditional Chinese Medicine.
  - gamblor956 7y ago
    I am not surprised that traditional Chinese medicine gets advertised in China. I would be very surprised if they started advertising traditional Indian medicine there though.
    - baybal2 7y ago
      The thing is it has never been in that position to begin with. Out of hand quackery is a relatively new phenomenon. Even just 20 years ago, "TCM" was still considered something only lunatical old people do. But then China opened, and new wave of weird novelties deluged the society: "new age" cults, antivaxers, hipsters, gurus, psychodelics, psychics, antiscience and other stuff like that. The contemporary brand of quackery has gotten into mainland China from... Hongkong out of all places. Back in times when just anything Honkongese was considered super cool in the mainland, quack pharmacies that were treated like jokes in HK somehow managed to slip in, and became the new fascination of Chinese nouveau riche, and a token sign for their "sophistication" And then over the time, it turned to out into what it is now, now being believed in quite seriously
    - hnick 7y ago
- deleted 7y ago
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forkLding 7y ago
This sounds like a first-world comment, those open-air markets form because the merchants are subsistence farmers or people living outside the city without a lot of money and have to travel into the city. The farming in China isn't as industrialized or corporatized as in America and you will encounter poorer farmers or small traders who basically sell at these markets without having to spend a lot of money for rent because it isn't a high-margin business. Think farmers' market but filled with poor farmers. These merchants aren't forming open-air markets for fun, it's because they have to. If you force them out, then you will end up destroying poor people's lives. The food and grocery companies in China who are selling in supermarkets are already in the supermarkets. EDIT: I dislike eating 'exotic' meats and discourage the practice, however there's a fine line when you enforce the ban live animal market policy. Note that it has been enacted in Wuhan when the disease started. I also support stronger regulations and animal protections on these live animal markets and am not deflecting blame from these live animal markets but straight-up banning is not the right solution.
- whalesalad 7y ago
  At some point it’s the job of the government to protect people when they can’t protect themselves. Live and let live is fine until your actions are causing people to die all over the world due to completely new, evolved and deadly viruses. All the brutal shit starts in places like this where humans and animals are mixing in dirty environments and freak meetings literally birth a destructive new threat instantly. So on one hand you can interpret this as a “first world comment” but on the other hand you need to acknowledge that this level of negligence is no longer limited and isolated in scope to one tiny part of the world. It goes global overnight. There is absolutely no excuse for that.
  - forkLding 7y ago
    It's about tradeoffs, if you ban live animal markets all over China for long periods of time, you will instantly cause far greater destruction on peoples' daily lives in China as people will suffer from poverty. There's probably millions of people going to go hungry because they lost their source of income and poor farmers in China don't have that much social mobility to get another job.
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infinity0 7y ago
ITT: hypocrites talking shit about TCM, which is fair enough, but then making non-scientific assertions about how eating "weird" stuff - presumably, organs & animals they don't normally eat - causes diseases. PROTIP: it's actually microbes & other unsanitary conditions, and you can perfectly make "weird" stuff clean (& tasty). Go read a book, lol. Apparently TCM is quite popular in Switzerland, I have no idea why...
oiasdjfoiasd 7y ago
Jesus, the ignorance and naivety of this comment lmao. Have you ever left your home?
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anon463637 7y ago
Although true, Western meat agriculture isn't similar but different: zillions of animals, stacked one on the other and humans going in to clean up after them getting all that waste all over them. Either way, it's a bioreactor for evolving a pandemic. This is likely how we acquired many horrible persistent diseases: smallpox, avian flu, influenza, measles and many more.

leptoniscool 7y ago

Isn't this overreacting? In the US, the common flu has killed up to 61,000 people each year. This new virus has so far only killed 15 as of 2020/1/22. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

mc32 7y ago
It depends on the lethality and whether or not they have vaccines to counter the threat posed. Also, we understand the flu. This virus and how it spreads and so on isn’t well understood yet, so I think caution is in order.
Anon84 7y ago
Yes and no. 1. This is a new virus, so you're less likely to have even partial immunity (in contrast, your immune system has been fighting variants of the flu virus for decades). 2. These are still early days so the numbers of infected/dead aren't reliable but the mortality seems to be a couple orders of magnitude higher. What this means is that if it spreads to as many people as the yearly flu virus does every year probably 10-100x more people will die. 3. It's good to keep an eye out whenever a new virus makes the species jump (as this one just did). It will likely fizzle out, but you never know.
freewizard 7y ago
You have to look at the CFR(case fatality rate) and how wide it will be spreading. For flu, case fatality rate is usually <0.1% [1]. As comparison, SARS in 2003 is 15% [2]. This time it's still developing (17 of 444 as of today[3]) so hard to know for sure, but nature of this 2019-nCoV virus is close to SARS. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_pandemic [2] https://www.who.int/csr/sars/archive/2003_05_07a/en/ https://www.who.int/csr/sars/archive/2003_05_07a/en/ [3] http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-01/22/c_138727379.htm http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-01/22/c_138727379.htm
tidenly 7y ago
The unknown quantity factor of it is what's scary. How lethal and fast it will spread, etc.

cs702 7y ago

Earlier today, researchers at Imperial College in London estimated that a total of 4,000 cases of Coronavirus in Wuhan City (with an uncertainty range of 1,000 to 9,700) had onset of symptoms by January 18. This compares with a Chinese government report of 440 confirmed cases as of January 21: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/news--wuhan-coronavirus/ https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-ana... According to the Imperial College researchers: "Exit screening (which reportedly came into force on the 15th January) had no impact on exported cases reported up to 16th January. Exit screening may have reduced exports in recent days, in which case our baseline prediction may be an underestimate of the true number of cases in Wuhan." The researchers also write: "We assume all cases in travelers flying to destinations outside mainland China are being detected at those destinations. This may well not be the case. If cases are being missed in other countries, our baseline prediction will underestimate the true number of cases in Wuhan." If anyone has more recent or higher-quality data or information (especially if it contradicts the Imperial estimates), please post it here!

perennate 7y ago
Are you sure 440 is an estimate? According to LA Times that is the number of cases reported. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-01-21/anxiety-over-coronavirus-rises-as-millions-of-chinese-travel-for-the-lunar-new-year https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-01-21/anxiety-...
- cs702 7y ago
  Changed. I meant to write report. The 440 cases are officially confirmed. Thanks!
taiwanboy 7y ago
Up to date map with numbers (in Chinese) https://3g.dxy.cn/newh5/view/pneumonia?scene=2&clicktime=1579582238&enterid=1579582238&from=timeline&isappinstalled=0 https://3g.dxy.cn/newh5/view/pneumonia?scene=2&clicktime=157... Affected: 549 (left most number) Death: 17 (right most number) You can tell from the map that most of China now has affected patients. Also important: 14 patients in Beijing, 26!! Patients in Guangdong and 9 patients in shanghai. That means the coronavirus has already broke out of containment in major cities in China. And because of the 10x gap in aforementioned estimate vs government under reporting, the number is likely 10x is large. https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/eshyhl/as_families_tell_of_pneumonialike_deaths_in_wuhan/ https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/eshyhl/as_famili... No one should be traveling to China right now, period.

awillen 7y ago

The last two books I read were Station 11 and Severance, and they make it tough not to be at least a little paranoid about this. Great books, though.

hker 7y ago

It is reported that some Chinese are taking antipyretics to suppress symptoms of fever to evade quarantine checks, to get into other places like France (in traditional Chinese [1] and Google translated [2]), Japan (in traditional Chinese [3] and Google translated [4]) or other cities in China (in simplified Chinese [5]). Edit: change one source. [1]: http://www.rfi.fr/tw/中國/20200122-武漢發熱女承認用退燒藥降溫後入境法國 http://www.rfi.fr/tw/中國/20200122-武漢發熱女承認用退燒藥降溫後入境法國 [2]: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rfi.fr%2Ftw%2F中國%2F20200122-武漢發熱女承認用退燒藥降溫後入境法國 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%... [3]: https://hk.on.cc/hk/bkn/cnt/news/20200116/bkn-20200116084329841-0116_00822_001.html https://hk.on.cc/hk/bkn/cnt/news/20200116/bkn-20200116084329... [4]: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fhk.on.cc%2Fhk%2Fbkn%2Fcnt%2Fnews%2F20200116%2Fbkn-20200116084329841-0116_00822_001.html https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https... [5]: https://i.lih.kg/540/https://na.cx/i/U1uhtVv.jpg https://i.lih.kg/540/https://na.cx/i/U1uhtVv.jpg

ETHisso2017 7y ago
Three of your four non-duplicative sources are LTN or LIHKG, which are both extremely biased against China. I'd take what you're hearing with a grain of salt.
- hker 7y ago
  Thanks for explaining reasons for downvote. I just changed one news source from LTN to a pro-Beijing news source Oriental Daily News, which reported the same news. Also, although the image (1 out of 3 non-duplicative sources) is hosted and curated by LIHKG, the image is allegedly a screenshot on Weibo (Chinese twitter), which unfortunately is behind a login wall and hence must be screenshot. I don't think Weibo is extremely biased against China, unless you're questioning the authenticity of the image, which yourself could verify by searching 逃離武漢 on Weibo. I hope people can engage in a civil discussion instead of/after downvoting.

aaron695 7y ago

Given this SARS 1.5 has already spread around the world, what's the mathematics behind this?

anon463637 7y ago

I've seen panic buying of face masks in Palo Alto and San Jose, mostly by people who appear of Chinese ancestry. I was doubtful on its efficacy, but it appears there is some benefit combined with hand-washing. It's probably a good idea to have hand sanitizer and face masks on-hand rather than waiting until they're sold out.

fspeech 7y ago
But it certainly has altruistic value: if you are a carrier, wearing a mask should greatly reduce the chance of infecting others.

nehagup 7y ago

Think about people who went there as a tourist and are suffering. ️