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This is agreeing you were wrong, but your false claims still win because the people are suckers. When climate change is still roaring along 30 years from now an

This is agreeing you were wrong, but your false claims still win because the people are suckers. When climate change is still roaring along 30 years from now and the laws of physics haven’t changed to allow solar and wind to completely displace fossil fuels, you can really be proud of your win.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
I'm not proud nuclear proponents are ignorant of the reality of the situation. They care more about being "right" than what is feasible today. Nuclear would've been fine to go all in on 20 or 30 years ago; today, it's too late (considering the timeline between first kwh produced and breaking ground today). Mourning a tragedy isn't a strategy for success. If you can get it built, why isn't it built yet? Or at the very least, under construction.
- koheripbal 7y ago
  Claiming that nuclear power isn't feasible because "people fear it" is as valid an argument as saying that Climate Change cannot be averted because too many people don't believe in it. The entire point of us having these conversations online is to help convince these uneducated idiots in society, exactly so that we can overcome these challenges.
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    > help convince these uneducated idiots in society Hence why the argument is already lost. Educated citizens have valid concerns that aren’t being addressed, and the uneducated ones? They still get the same vote you do.
  - manicdee 7y ago
    You aren’t helping your case by labelling people who disagree with you as “uneducated idiots.” In my local environment the most visible people championing nuclear power are the same ones who turn up in Parliament House wearing their sponsor’s uniform, or bring lumps of coal into the House. They also engage in corporate style group psychopathy of “if what we want to do isn’t illegal, there’s nothing stopping us from doing it.” With friends like those, nuclear power doesn’t need any enemies. The impression is that the only reason nuclear power is mentioned is because some politicians are looking for a comfortable post-retirement life in a junket lobbying position at Westinghouse. So between the nuclear advocates here on HN claiming that everyone who doesn’t support nuclear power is a “climate alarmist” uneducated idiot, the only proponents in government being the most visibly corrupt, and the discussion of nuclear power always turning to “proven” thorium technology, nuclear power really has little hope of being accepted by society at large.

toomuchtodo 7y ago

I'm not proud nuclear proponents are ignorant of the reality of the situation. They care more about being "right" than what is feasible today. Nuclear would've been fine to go all in on 20 or 30 years ago; today, it's too late (considering the timeline between first kwh produced and breaking ground today). Mourning a tragedy isn't a strategy for success. If you can get it built, why isn't it built yet? Or at the very least, under construction.

koheripbal 7y ago
Claiming that nuclear power isn't feasible because "people fear it" is as valid an argument as saying that Climate Change cannot be averted because too many people don't believe in it. The entire point of us having these conversations online is to help convince these uneducated idiots in society, exactly so that we can overcome these challenges.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  > help convince these uneducated idiots in society Hence why the argument is already lost. Educated citizens have valid concerns that aren’t being addressed, and the uneducated ones? They still get the same vote you do.
- manicdee 7y ago
  You aren’t helping your case by labelling people who disagree with you as “uneducated idiots.” In my local environment the most visible people championing nuclear power are the same ones who turn up in Parliament House wearing their sponsor’s uniform, or bring lumps of coal into the House. They also engage in corporate style group psychopathy of “if what we want to do isn’t illegal, there’s nothing stopping us from doing it.” With friends like those, nuclear power doesn’t need any enemies. The impression is that the only reason nuclear power is mentioned is because some politicians are looking for a comfortable post-retirement life in a junket lobbying position at Westinghouse. So between the nuclear advocates here on HN claiming that everyone who doesn’t support nuclear power is a “climate alarmist” uneducated idiot, the only proponents in government being the most visibly corrupt, and the discussion of nuclear power always turning to “proven” thorium technology, nuclear power really has little hope of being accepted by society at large.