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This is impressive, but just one meter of dirt covering the surface of the earth is about 1.2 million trillion tons. 30 trillion tons would create a layer about

This is impressive, but just one meter of dirt covering the surface of the earth is about 1.2 million trillion tons. 30 trillion tons would create a layer about 0.03mm thick. Invisible in a geologic sense.

JoeAltmaier 7y ago
But the amount of dirt we have to turn over to find the 'good stuff' is maybe orders of magnitude bigger?
titzer 7y ago
My calculations don't match yours. Here http://www.bluebulbprojects.com/MeasureOfThings/results.php?p=1&comp=area&unit=m2&amt=148940000000000&sort=pr http://www.bluebulbprojects.com/MeasureOfThings/results.php?... That says there are 148 trillion square meters of land area on earth. So the technosphere (at 30 trillion tons) is about 1/5ton per square meter, or about 200 kg. If you use the all of the Earth's surface, it's 510 trillion square meters, so about 1/17th of a ton per square meter, or about 58 kg per square meter.
- clmul 7y ago
  Assuming the dirt weighs about 2 tons per cubic meter, this corresponds to 58 kg/m^2 / 2000 kg/m^3 =~ 0.03 m, so it seems like the gp just used the incorrect unit.
  - njarboe 7y ago
    You are correct. I had 1000000000 as a trillion. Scientific notation is a much better way to calculate things. At 30mm that is a big enough layer that a geologist could see it in the rock record, if it looked different enough.
    - thfuran 7y ago
      I believe that we've spewed enough radiation that no visual distinction would necessary for detection, at least for the next several tens of thousands of years.
      - titzer 7y ago
        It's true that atmospheric nuclear testing has produced trace elements that were basically never on Earth before 1945, like Strontium-90 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strontium-90 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strontium-90]. Strontium-90 has a half life of about 29 years, so it will be detectable for a few thousand years or so. Some others last longer.
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JoeAltmaier 7y ago

But the amount of dirt we have to turn over to find the 'good stuff' is maybe orders of magnitude bigger?

titzer 7y ago

My calculations don't match yours. Here http://www.bluebulbprojects.com/MeasureOfThings/results.php?p=1&comp=area&unit=m2&amt=148940000000000&sort=pr http://www.bluebulbprojects.com/MeasureOfThings/results.php?... That says there are 148 trillion square meters of land area on earth. So the technosphere (at 30 trillion tons) is about 1/5ton per square meter, or about 200 kg. If you use the all of the Earth's surface, it's 510 trillion square meters, so about 1/17th of a ton per square meter, or about 58 kg per square meter.

clmul 7y ago
Assuming the dirt weighs about 2 tons per cubic meter, this corresponds to 58 kg/m^2 / 2000 kg/m^3 =~ 0.03 m, so it seems like the gp just used the incorrect unit.
- njarboe 7y ago
  You are correct. I had 1000000000 as a trillion. Scientific notation is a much better way to calculate things. At 30mm that is a big enough layer that a geologist could see it in the rock record, if it looked different enough.
  - thfuran 7y ago
    I believe that we've spewed enough radiation that no visual distinction would necessary for detection, at least for the next several tens of thousands of years.
    - titzer 7y ago
      It's true that atmospheric nuclear testing has produced trace elements that were basically never on Earth before 1945, like Strontium-90 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strontium-90 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strontium-90]. Strontium-90 has a half life of about 29 years, so it will be detectable for a few thousand years or so. Some others last longer.

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