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What's the problem with it? Programming snob? Isn't it still C programming after all? I don't understand the problem with people bashing Borland after all these

What's the problem with it? Programming snob? Isn't it still C programming after all? I don't understand the problem with people bashing Borland after all these years! Didn't you know that the accomplished Mr Anders Hejlsberg was behind Borland (TurboPascal and Delphi), before he was appointed to develop Microsoft C# and Typescript? So, what's the/your problem!?

billfruit 7y ago
May be one problem might be that it might condition learners to the peculiarities of programming for DOS and its archaic memory model, which aren't that of relevance to modern systems.
- vintagedave 7y ago
  Turbo C was a great C compiler. Embarcadero still gives away two (!) free versions of its C/C++ compilers today: the command line tools, and the entire IDE and toolchain in its Community edition. https://www.embarcadero.com/products/cbuilder/starter https://www.embarcadero.com/products/cbuilder/starter
- badsectoracula 7y ago
  Depends on what sort of stuff they learned - remember that those students knew nothing about C so they'd be learning very simple stuff. As an example, the free version of Turbo C++ 1.01 that is available through the Borland/Embarcadero museum (or was at some point, i don't know if still is) has ~34 introduction examples (referenced via their guide) that outside of a couple, use only basic stdio and stdlib stuff (these 2-3 examples that use a non-standard header use conio.h which AFAIK is borland specific, though Watcom/OpenWatcom and Visual C++ also seem to provide the used functions) without any DOS-specific functionality (be it far pointers or whatever) and could compile with any modern compiler.
- marcocantu 7y ago
  What are you talking about? Delphi let's you build Android apps, not just DOS apps. And iOS, and Win64, etc...
  - billfruit 7y ago
    I was referring to Borland turbo c/c++.
    - marcocantu 7y ago
      Got it, makes sense
- gdy 7y ago
  Delphi never allowed to build DOS apps.
Quarrelsome 7y ago
I'm thinking of a graduate turning up for a modern programming position and opining: > I know Delphi! I would argue you can made good courses in any language and it would seem more convenient to teach in something that has better transferrability into industry. Also the response is likely aggravated by this quote from the source article: > a curriculum that has taken heavy damage from the adoption of Java and C# in the early 2K’s. wut?
- benibela 7y ago
  I have spent like ten years developing software in Delphi, and another ten years with FreePascal, but never managed to get an industry job :/

billfruit 7y ago

May be one problem might be that it might condition learners to the peculiarities of programming for DOS and its archaic memory model, which aren't that of relevance to modern systems.

vintagedave 7y ago
Turbo C was a great C compiler. Embarcadero still gives away two (!) free versions of its C/C++ compilers today: the command line tools, and the entire IDE and toolchain in its Community edition. https://www.embarcadero.com/products/cbuilder/starter https://www.embarcadero.com/products/cbuilder/starter
badsectoracula 7y ago
Depends on what sort of stuff they learned - remember that those students knew nothing about C so they'd be learning very simple stuff. As an example, the free version of Turbo C++ 1.01 that is available through the Borland/Embarcadero museum (or was at some point, i don't know if still is) has ~34 introduction examples (referenced via their guide) that outside of a couple, use only basic stdio and stdlib stuff (these 2-3 examples that use a non-standard header use conio.h which AFAIK is borland specific, though Watcom/OpenWatcom and Visual C++ also seem to provide the used functions) without any DOS-specific functionality (be it far pointers or whatever) and could compile with any modern compiler.
marcocantu 7y ago
What are you talking about? Delphi let's you build Android apps, not just DOS apps. And iOS, and Win64, etc...
- billfruit 7y ago
  I was referring to Borland turbo c/c++.
  - marcocantu 7y ago
    Got it, makes sense
gdy 7y ago
Delphi never allowed to build DOS apps.

Quarrelsome 7y ago

I'm thinking of a graduate turning up for a modern programming position and opining: > I know Delphi! I would argue you can made good courses in any language and it would seem more convenient to teach in something that has better transferrability into industry. Also the response is likely aggravated by this quote from the source article: > a curriculum that has taken heavy damage from the adoption of Java and C# in the early 2K’s. wut?

benibela 7y ago
I have spent like ten years developing software in Delphi, and another ten years with FreePascal, but never managed to get an industry job :/