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Java and C# are a morass of complexity. There is no job or project where you just use the language Java/C#, you have to pull their immense libraries and framewo

• chrisseaton 7y ago
  > There is no job or project where you just use the language Java/C#, you have to pull their immense libraries and frameworks in too. Why do you think this? I regularly write plain Java code, or code using just a couple of simple libraries.
• poloniculmov 7y ago
  >On the other hand Delphi's just Delphi is this true today? Back in the day it was Delphi + JediVCL + JediCL + plus lots of other different components that looked better than bundled ones. Does it have a package manager or you still need to install a bunch of EXEs?
• thu2111 7y ago
  Because most jobs and projects have complex requirements that aren't satisfied by the standard library of ANY language. But that's irrelevant for teaching. The Java/.NET stdlibs are huge. They are more than sufficient to teach basically any of the foundational skills. Then if you want to learn Hibernate or ORMs, no problem, that's only a small extra step.
• GordonS 7y ago
  > Java and C# are a morass of complexity. There is no job or project where you just use the language Java/C#, you have to pull their immense libraries and frameworks in too I used Delphi for years back in the day, and will always have a soft spot for it. But your claims here are simply not true - the .NET standard library is huge, and you can get a lot done without any other packages.