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From the same article: > That means Chinese authorities will no longer have to use the U.S. courts to seek information on iCloud users and can instead use thei

From the same article: > That means Chinese authorities will no longer have to use the U.S. courts to seek information on iCloud users and can instead use their own legal system to ask Apple to hand over iCloud data for Chinese users, legal experts said. U.S. courts are highly unlikely to order Apple to release iCloud data to Chinese officials. Any cases would be public and attract international media attention. For Chinese iCloud users, that makes all the difference.

scarface74 7y ago
How many countries have laws that state user data must not be in foreign data centers? Every company in the US has to comply when it’s ordered by the court to give up user data. The US justice system is not exactly a shining light on the hill when it comes to needing a high bar to give investigators search warrants. All someone has to do is say “terrorism”, “drugs” or “protect the children” and courts will fall over backwards. Also from the same article: Until now, Apple appears to have handed over very little data about Chinese users. From mid-2013 to mid-2017, Apple said it did not give customer account content to Chinese authorities, despite having received 176 requests, according to transparency reports published by the company. By contrast, Apple has given the United States customer account content in response to 2,366 out of 8,475 government requests. You have much more faith in the US justice system than I do.
- commoner 7y ago
  You're missing the point. From your quote: > Until now, Apple appears to have handed over very little data about Chinese users. From mid-2013 to mid-2017, Apple said it did not give customer account content to Chinese authorities, despite having received 176 requests, according to transparency reports published by the company. By moving iCloud data and keys to China, the amount of data Apple handed to Chinese authorities on Chinese iCloud users went from zero to a nonzero amount. Therefore, Apple degraded the security and privacy of Chinese iCloud users by making the switch to Chinese servers. Due process is much more frequently ignored in China than in the United States, but that fact isn't even necessary to establish that Apple's switch to Chinese servers negatively affected Chinese iCloud users. The above is sufficient. https://web.archive.org/web/20111019034145/http://www.law.yale.edu/documents/pdf/chinas_criminal_justice_system.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20111019034145/http://www.law.ya...
  - scarface74 7y ago
    The linked Rueters article quoted a statement where Apple said “they are still in control of the keys.”
    - president 7y ago
      You need to brush up on your Cryptography 101 course before arguing with people about how asymmetric encryption keys work. There is nowhere that states that only one entity can have "control" of the keys. If you don't understand that, then I can see why you're so confused about this whole situation.

scarface74 7y ago

How many countries have laws that state user data must not be in foreign data centers? Every company in the US has to comply when it’s ordered by the court to give up user data. The US justice system is not exactly a shining light on the hill when it comes to needing a high bar to give investigators search warrants. All someone has to do is say “terrorism”, “drugs” or “protect the children” and courts will fall over backwards. Also from the same article: Until now, Apple appears to have handed over very little data about Chinese users. From mid-2013 to mid-2017, Apple said it did not give customer account content to Chinese authorities, despite having received 176 requests, according to transparency reports published by the company. By contrast, Apple has given the United States customer account content in response to 2,366 out of 8,475 government requests. You have much more faith in the US justice system than I do.

commoner 7y ago
You're missing the point. From your quote: > Until now, Apple appears to have handed over very little data about Chinese users. From mid-2013 to mid-2017, Apple said it did not give customer account content to Chinese authorities, despite having received 176 requests, according to transparency reports published by the company. By moving iCloud data and keys to China, the amount of data Apple handed to Chinese authorities on Chinese iCloud users went from zero to a nonzero amount. Therefore, Apple degraded the security and privacy of Chinese iCloud users by making the switch to Chinese servers. Due process is much more frequently ignored in China than in the United States, but that fact isn't even necessary to establish that Apple's switch to Chinese servers negatively affected Chinese iCloud users. The above is sufficient. https://web.archive.org/web/20111019034145/http://www.law.yale.edu/documents/pdf/chinas_criminal_justice_system.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20111019034145/http://www.law.ya...
- scarface74 7y ago
  The linked Rueters article quoted a statement where Apple said “they are still in control of the keys.”
  - president 7y ago
    You need to brush up on your Cryptography 101 course before arguing with people about how asymmetric encryption keys work. There is nowhere that states that only one entity can have "control" of the keys. If you don't understand that, then I can see why you're so confused about this whole situation.