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Incorrect. Please see the official Apple Support page [1] that debunks this. It specifically states: "iCloud services and all the data you store with iCloud, i

Incorrect. Please see the official Apple Support page [1] that debunks this. It specifically states: "iCloud services and all the data you store with iCloud, including photos, videos, documents, and backups, will be subject to the new terms and conditions of iCloud operated by GCBD." And since all Chinese companies are bound by local laws, you can be assured that your data is readily available for access by the government. [1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351

scarface74 7y ago
That still doesn’t make the original statement that “encryption keys are given to China” correct. The data that is available in China is not encrypted and would also be available to US authorities. Can you quote the part of the article that states that Apple must give China private keys? Can you find a citation where a third party has found proof that Apple changed the iMessage architecture?
- president 7y ago
  Apple may still be controlling the encryption keys but this says nothing about sharing the keys if compelled to do so. > Can you quote the part of the article that states that Apple must give China private keys? Can you find a citation where a third party has found proof that Apple changed the iMessage architecture? Apple is smarter than to put some text on their official website saying that the Chinese government has access to all your data. The key here is that their Terms and Conditions state that they operate "...in accordance to local laws". This is a cop-out legalese way of saying "We abide by whatever the Chinese government tells us to do".
  - scarface74 7y ago
    How can Apple share private keys it doesn’t have access to? Apple doesn’t control “private keys” you use to encrypt data. The keys wouldn’t be very private if that were the case. The entire idea behind public/private keys is that you keep access to your private key.
    - president 7y ago
      You need to take a step back, take off your engineering hat, and realize that the issue is not about private keys. This is about a company (Apple) needing to follow the laws of the country that it operates in or else it is banned. It doesn't matter if Apple was selling bread or handbags, they MUST provide the government with data about their customers when compelled. This is the case with all companies operating in China, foreign or domestic.
      - scarface74 7y ago
        The only way it could follow the laws of the country would be to rearchitect its entire system and somehow send the private keys to its servers and save them. While technically they could do that, do you realize how much legal trouble they would be in in the US if they did so without disclosing it? Alternatively, they would have to have a special build of iOS for China. Also, none of the “citations” make mention that the Chinese law forces Apple to give private keys to China.
        president 7y ago
        The questions you are posing make it clear that you don't understand the issue at hand, much less the broader context behind these data laws. Companies have invested much more $$$ and resources for much less reward. Also, everything is legal as long as your lawyers sign off.
        scarface74 7y ago
        I perfectly understand how public/private key encryption works. Can you find any citations to support your specific claims that Apple is sending user’s private keys from their devices and giving those keys to China?
        president 7y ago
        Tell me how you think public/private keys helps Apple from skirting Chinese law that stipulates that they must provide access to user data.

scarface74 7y ago

That still doesn’t make the original statement that “encryption keys are given to China” correct. The data that is available in China is not encrypted and would also be available to US authorities. Can you quote the part of the article that states that Apple must give China private keys? Can you find a citation where a third party has found proof that Apple changed the iMessage architecture?

president 7y ago
Apple may still be controlling the encryption keys but this says nothing about sharing the keys if compelled to do so. > Can you quote the part of the article that states that Apple must give China private keys? Can you find a citation where a third party has found proof that Apple changed the iMessage architecture? Apple is smarter than to put some text on their official website saying that the Chinese government has access to all your data. The key here is that their Terms and Conditions state that they operate "...in accordance to local laws". This is a cop-out legalese way of saying "We abide by whatever the Chinese government tells us to do".
- scarface74 7y ago
  How can Apple share private keys it doesn’t have access to? Apple doesn’t control “private keys” you use to encrypt data. The keys wouldn’t be very private if that were the case. The entire idea behind public/private keys is that you keep access to your private key.
  - president 7y ago
    You need to take a step back, take off your engineering hat, and realize that the issue is not about private keys. This is about a company (Apple) needing to follow the laws of the country that it operates in or else it is banned. It doesn't matter if Apple was selling bread or handbags, they MUST provide the government with data about their customers when compelled. This is the case with all companies operating in China, foreign or domestic.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      The only way it could follow the laws of the country would be to rearchitect its entire system and somehow send the private keys to its servers and save them. While technically they could do that, do you realize how much legal trouble they would be in in the US if they did so without disclosing it? Alternatively, they would have to have a special build of iOS for China. Also, none of the “citations” make mention that the Chinese law forces Apple to give private keys to China.
      - president 7y ago
        The questions you are posing make it clear that you don't understand the issue at hand, much less the broader context behind these data laws. Companies have invested much more $$$ and resources for much less reward. Also, everything is legal as long as your lawyers sign off.
        scarface74 7y ago
        I perfectly understand how public/private key encryption works. Can you find any citations to support your specific claims that Apple is sending user’s private keys from their devices and giving those keys to China?
        president 7y ago
        Tell me how you think public/private keys helps Apple from skirting Chinese law that stipulates that they must provide access to user data.