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The DNC came out with the story about the Russian hack very quickly; they can't possibly have known it was them with any accuracy. It could easily have been a

The DNC came out with the story about the Russian hack very quickly; they can't possibly have known it was them with any accuracy. It could easily have been a leak, and the Russia story was simply to deflect from the content of the leak.

SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
IIRC the DNC was using Crowstrike for their AV and security who interestingly has a lot of their company based in Ukraine, and both CS and DNC refused to allow the FBI access to servers and logs to verify the Russian attack. IDK much about much, but that sure does seem questionable to me.
- onecool 7y ago
  The Crowdstrike line is another primary talking point of the paid Russian propagandists.
  - equalunique 7y ago
    A talking point belonging to a group one dislikes does not make it invalid.
  - jessaustin 7y ago
    If someone else had looked at the servers, it seems likely we would have heard of it by now...
- snowwrestler 7y ago
  The RNC has since hired Crowdstrike too, even as Republican officials they support have said lots of stuff about Crowdstrike and Ukraine. The public statements are all for show.
  - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
    I’m not sure that’s a big vote of confidence for me. The other take on what you wrote is the RNC watched the DNC skirt over any sort of responsibility to allow authorities to investigate such a claim and want in on that action.
belorn 7y ago
If the DNC leak impacted the election, should the blame be on leaker or on the people responsible. The DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned over the content of the emails, and the DNC issued a formal apology to Bernie Sanders and his supporters over the conduct during the election. It seems a bit like blaming the NBCUniversal for leaking the audio tape of trumps lewd conversation about women, rather than trump. A big question is how influence the three major leaks had on the election, and from an outside perspective it seems insane that the whole US political direction get decided on embarrassing leaks rather than political subjects.
snowwrestler 7y ago
No, it was definitely the Russians. In addition to the clear and definitive attribution by federal intelligence and law enforcement agencies, there was significant work by private industry to support the attribution. For example the phishing email that got Podesta was included in the leak of his inbox, and traced back to phishing infrastructure that had previously (i.e. before the DNC and Podesta hacks happened) been attributed to one of the Russian APTs.

SlowRobotAhead 7y ago

IIRC the DNC was using Crowstrike for their AV and security who interestingly has a lot of their company based in Ukraine, and both CS and DNC refused to allow the FBI access to servers and logs to verify the Russian attack. IDK much about much, but that sure does seem questionable to me.

onecool 7y ago
The Crowdstrike line is another primary talking point of the paid Russian propagandists.
- equalunique 7y ago
  A talking point belonging to a group one dislikes does not make it invalid.
- jessaustin 7y ago
  If someone else had looked at the servers, it seems likely we would have heard of it by now...
snowwrestler 7y ago
The RNC has since hired Crowdstrike too, even as Republican officials they support have said lots of stuff about Crowdstrike and Ukraine. The public statements are all for show.
- SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
  I’m not sure that’s a big vote of confidence for me. The other take on what you wrote is the RNC watched the DNC skirt over any sort of responsibility to allow authorities to investigate such a claim and want in on that action.

belorn 7y ago

If the DNC leak impacted the election, should the blame be on leaker or on the people responsible. The DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned over the content of the emails, and the DNC issued a formal apology to Bernie Sanders and his supporters over the conduct during the election. It seems a bit like blaming the NBCUniversal for leaking the audio tape of trumps lewd conversation about women, rather than trump. A big question is how influence the three major leaks had on the election, and from an outside perspective it seems insane that the whole US political direction get decided on embarrassing leaks rather than political subjects.

snowwrestler 7y ago

No, it was definitely the Russians. In addition to the clear and definitive attribution by federal intelligence and law enforcement agencies, there was significant work by private industry to support the attribution. For example the phishing email that got Podesta was included in the leak of his inbox, and traced back to phishing infrastructure that had previously (i.e. before the DNC and Podesta hacks happened) been attributed to one of the Russian APTs.