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I don't think its about lowering labor costs. A highly-skilled foreign born worker can still command as much as his native born counterpart. I do think that th

by cbryan 18y ago

I don't think its about lowering labor costs. A highly-skilled foreign born worker can still command as much as his native born counterpart. I do think that this is about retaining talented workers and bolstering our knowledge-centric economy. These people are motivated enough to come to the US and succeed, we should try to keep them.

cconstantine 18y ago
I agree. It's easy to find people who kinda know how to program. It's really hard to find talented programmers. Why tell employer's they can't hire someone because they happen to have citizenship somewhere else? Besides, one of the bases of capitalism is that in any trade both parties should gain. If a company wants to hire someone at salary $X that means the company expects to get $X+K value out of that person. Assuming the company bets right that means we are adding value to the American economy.
- mynameishere 18y ago
  Damnit people, as the quantity supplied goes down, the price goes up, which encourages production. You have two kinds of production: Internal and external. Internal means: People entering the labor market through various means. External means: Immigration. Unlike importing products from China, importing people comes with various externalities. Here's a recent example of what you can get: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7461099.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7461099.stm or, by contrast: http://www.iht.com/articles/2001/01/05/kuala.2.t.php http://www.iht.com/articles/2001/01/05/kuala.2.t.php ...unending political nightmares.
  - cconstantine 18y ago
    I fail to see how reparations for Apartied in South Africa and affirmative action in Malaysia have to do with foreign workers in America. We are in a world-economy, this is part of the deal. I understand that I'm arguing for working 1) with people I can't understand, and 2) for less money. It's just how the game works. edit: I despise doing The Wrong Thing (tm) because it looks good politically. Maybe that makes me a bad politician, but I work in software development, not politics. Let the politicians worry about politics.
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by cbryan 18y ago

cconstantine 18y ago

I agree. It's easy to find people who kinda know how to program. It's really hard to find talented programmers. Why tell employer's they can't hire someone because they happen to have citizenship somewhere else? Besides, one of the bases of capitalism is that in any trade both parties should gain. If a company wants to hire someone at salary $X that means the company expects to get $X+K value out of that person. Assuming the company bets right that means we are adding value to the American economy.

mynameishere 18y ago
Damnit people, as the quantity supplied goes down, the price goes up, which encourages production. You have two kinds of production: Internal and external. Internal means: People entering the labor market through various means. External means: Immigration. Unlike importing products from China, importing people comes with various externalities. Here's a recent example of what you can get: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7461099.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7461099.stm or, by contrast: http://www.iht.com/articles/2001/01/05/kuala.2.t.php http://www.iht.com/articles/2001/01/05/kuala.2.t.php ...unending political nightmares.
- cconstantine 18y ago
  I fail to see how reparations for Apartied in South Africa and affirmative action in Malaysia have to do with foreign workers in America. We are in a world-economy, this is part of the deal. I understand that I'm arguing for working 1) with people I can't understand, and 2) for less money. It's just how the game works. edit: I despise doing The Wrong Thing (tm) because it looks good politically. Maybe that makes me a bad politician, but I work in software development, not politics. Let the politicians worry about politics.

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