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> Agreed that candy crush as default is heinous, but it feels like "telemetry" is kind of brought up as a bogeyman. In Germany, such "spying" features are real

> Agreed that candy crush as default is heinous, but it feels like "telemetry" is kind of brought up as a bogeyman. In Germany, such "spying" features are really detested; there exists a very privacy-conscious culture that perhaps has to do with the experience of two surveillance states on German ground of which one only ceased to exist about 30 years ago.

ChuckNorris89 7y ago
No offense, but if Germans were so focused on online privacy they wouldn't spend so much time and money on Facebook/YouTube/Amazon/$FAANGCORP.
- wolfgke 7y ago
  Indeed, as native German, I observe lots of people that try to avoid having a Google account (in particular for email) (to at least separate the services that can be provided by a different vendor [email] from the Google account) and explicitly completely delete accounts of social networks (in particular Facebook/WhatsApp) if they ever had one. To give an example: When at the regular's table of some group (details shall not matter) someone suggested to form a WhatsApp group, some people gave very direct and harsh words. I personally observe that when I think about buying something at Amazon, I ask myself and look whether there also exists another possible vendor. So the mentality that I described is in real - it's just not possible to avoid said "Facebook/YouTube/Amazon/$FAANGCORP" completely for now; so you look for areas where you can avoid them - step by step.
  - mbeex 7y ago
    > So the mentality that I described is in real .. but even anecdotal evidence. I says nothing about the general situation. Personally. I never felt the need for FB. For a few years now my - large - family is running Threema. All of them, even the old folk. This is good for us, but especially the youngsters have parallel installations of WA, Signal, Telegram etc.. This is also anecdotal and I'm afraid, not typical. Some months ago I became member of a Skat club (a popular german card game). All the people are very different in social beckground to me and even to each other - real estate shark, musician, blue collar worker and more - and know what? > some people gave very direct and harsh words. I got these words for NOT accepting WA. Eventually, we settled to Signal - but even that not unanimously and it remains a slightly frustrating communication model.

ChuckNorris89 7y ago

No offense, but if Germans were so focused on online privacy they wouldn't spend so much time and money on Facebook/YouTube/Amazon/$FAANGCORP.

wolfgke 7y ago
Indeed, as native German, I observe lots of people that try to avoid having a Google account (in particular for email) (to at least separate the services that can be provided by a different vendor [email] from the Google account) and explicitly completely delete accounts of social networks (in particular Facebook/WhatsApp) if they ever had one. To give an example: When at the regular's table of some group (details shall not matter) someone suggested to form a WhatsApp group, some people gave very direct and harsh words. I personally observe that when I think about buying something at Amazon, I ask myself and look whether there also exists another possible vendor. So the mentality that I described is in real - it's just not possible to avoid said "Facebook/YouTube/Amazon/$FAANGCORP" completely for now; so you look for areas where you can avoid them - step by step.
- mbeex 7y ago
  > So the mentality that I described is in real .. but even anecdotal evidence. I says nothing about the general situation. Personally. I never felt the need for FB. For a few years now my - large - family is running Threema. All of them, even the old folk. This is good for us, but especially the youngsters have parallel installations of WA, Signal, Telegram etc.. This is also anecdotal and I'm afraid, not typical. Some months ago I became member of a Skat club (a popular german card game). All the people are very different in social beckground to me and even to each other - real estate shark, musician, blue collar worker and more - and know what? > some people gave very direct and harsh words. I got these words for NOT accepting WA. Eventually, we settled to Signal - but even that not unanimously and it remains a slightly frustrating communication model.