> "This is not us mining somebody’s records to sell ads, to learn from it, to do machine learning, to develop products. We developed this on de-identified data.

> "This is not us mining somebody’s records to sell ads, to learn from it, to do machine learning, to develop products. We developed this on de-identified data." "De-identified data" is "somebody's records". Also, for all the PR put behind the patient, Epic (and likely Cerner too) focus all their bizdev efforts on what the hospital and HMO administrators want, because they're the ones that sign the checks. Back when I worked there, they threw huge stacks of employees at customizing every installation, and significant developer effort at making broad customization possible. If patient care were the primary issue, every Epic implementation would be identical at the keyboard shortcut level. Hospital admins would have had to backdoor their customizations in by forcing their physicians and nurses to demand them as features. But instead, I saw page after page of customizations, inserting arbitrary administrator-created workflows on the staff via the software.