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End-to-end backup encryption is hard. Apple had faced criticism from cryptographers for failing to implement it. https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2012/

End-to-end backup encryption is hard. Apple had faced criticism from cryptographers for failing to implement it. https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2012/04/05/icloud-who-holds-key/ https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2012/04/05/icloud-w... The fact that they started working on the problem then abandoned it after the FBI complained is disappointing, especially to Apple consumers. But all it means is the status quo marches on. Headlines like this vindicate my decision to never purchase an Apple product.

nexuist 7y ago
>Headlines like this vindicate my decision to never purchase an Apple product. What else can you buy? Surely not Android...do you live without a smartphone (serious question, not judging)?
- CiPHPerCoder 7y ago
  "Surely not Android...do you live without a smartphone (serious question, not judging)?" That's a very judgmental way to ask that question if you're trying to not be judging. My phone hardware would fall under the Android classification, but I run LineageOS. I wish I had more options, but we're stuck in a hellish duopoly for the time being.
  - tomaskafka 7y ago
    > but I run LineageOS With Google Play Services surveillance rootkit? :)
- fsflover 7y ago
  Waiting for Librem 5.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
    Or the pinephone, which isn't as nice but is 1. way cheaper, and 2. shipping already.
    - xvector 7y ago
      I thought Librem 5 is also shipping?
      - yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
        Ah, I stand corrected and you are right; they do indeed to be shipping, including additional batches every few months.
_bxg1 7y ago
And which phone do you use in its place to participate in basic aspects of modern life?
- CiPHPerCoder 7y ago
  Please define your terms. Why do I have to use a phone in its place? Apple products aren't a basic human necessity. I like to think I can just use a phone for the sake of wanting a phone, not to replace the void that not being an Apple consumer leaves in my soul, or something. What exactly do you mean by "basic aspects of modern life"? I have a desktop PC, a laptop, a work laptop, a LineageOS (Android-based) phone, and a VR headset for gaming. Anything I want out of modern tech, I either already have or doesn't exist yet.
  - _bxg1 7y ago
    I tried to get by with Lineage without gapps for a year and a half (if you don't forego gapps then there's no point from a privacy perspective). I couldn't get push notifications on Slack because they went through gapps. I couldn't use several online dating services because they were only on mobile, and their mobile apps broke without gapps. I couldn't check my bank account from my phone because I couldn't get a hold of its app outside of the Play store, and because its mobile site locked my account for suspicious activity because I roamed between cell towers while using it. I couldn't find places because there was no reasonable mapping option (OSMAnd, at least at the time, was abysmal to the point of being almost useless). I once bought a pair of headphones that I couldn't use at all because you had to use Bose's app to set them up, and - you guessed it - the app was broken without gapps. Even Signal - the OSS encrypted messenger - was partially hampered without gapps. We can talk all day about how we got to this status quo and what can or can't be done about it, but the reality is that if you want to live a real, modern, urban life in 2020, so many people and organizations just assume you to have a fully-functional smartphone that you will be actively hampered without one.
    - CiPHPerCoder 7y ago
      > We can talk all day about how we got to this status quo and what can or can't be done about it, but the reality is that if you want to live a real, modern, urban life in 2020, so many people and organizations just assume you to have a fully-functional smartphone that you will be actively hampered without one. And for that, you can also get a stock Android phone like 80% of the world and still not be an Apple consumer. :)

nexuist 7y ago

>Headlines like this vindicate my decision to never purchase an Apple product. What else can you buy? Surely not Android...do you live without a smartphone (serious question, not judging)?

CiPHPerCoder 7y ago
"Surely not Android...do you live without a smartphone (serious question, not judging)?" That's a very judgmental way to ask that question if you're trying to not be judging. My phone hardware would fall under the Android classification, but I run LineageOS. I wish I had more options, but we're stuck in a hellish duopoly for the time being.
- tomaskafka 7y ago
  > but I run LineageOS With Google Play Services surveillance rootkit? :)
fsflover 7y ago
Waiting for Librem 5.
- yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
  Or the pinephone, which isn't as nice but is 1. way cheaper, and 2. shipping already.
  - xvector 7y ago
    I thought Librem 5 is also shipping?
    - yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
      Ah, I stand corrected and you are right; they do indeed to be shipping, including additional batches every few months.

_bxg1 7y ago

And which phone do you use in its place to participate in basic aspects of modern life?

CiPHPerCoder 7y ago
Please define your terms. Why do I have to use a phone in its place? Apple products aren't a basic human necessity. I like to think I can just use a phone for the sake of wanting a phone, not to replace the void that not being an Apple consumer leaves in my soul, or something. What exactly do you mean by "basic aspects of modern life"? I have a desktop PC, a laptop, a work laptop, a LineageOS (Android-based) phone, and a VR headset for gaming. Anything I want out of modern tech, I either already have or doesn't exist yet.
- _bxg1 7y ago
  I tried to get by with Lineage without gapps for a year and a half (if you don't forego gapps then there's no point from a privacy perspective). I couldn't get push notifications on Slack because they went through gapps. I couldn't use several online dating services because they were only on mobile, and their mobile apps broke without gapps. I couldn't check my bank account from my phone because I couldn't get a hold of its app outside of the Play store, and because its mobile site locked my account for suspicious activity because I roamed between cell towers while using it. I couldn't find places because there was no reasonable mapping option (OSMAnd, at least at the time, was abysmal to the point of being almost useless). I once bought a pair of headphones that I couldn't use at all because you had to use Bose's app to set them up, and - you guessed it - the app was broken without gapps. Even Signal - the OSS encrypted messenger - was partially hampered without gapps. We can talk all day about how we got to this status quo and what can or can't be done about it, but the reality is that if you want to live a real, modern, urban life in 2020, so many people and organizations just assume you to have a fully-functional smartphone that you will be actively hampered without one.
  - CiPHPerCoder 7y ago
    > We can talk all day about how we got to this status quo and what can or can't be done about it, but the reality is that if you want to live a real, modern, urban life in 2020, so many people and organizations just assume you to have a fully-functional smartphone that you will be actively hampered without one. And for that, you can also get a stock Android phone like 80% of the world and still not be an Apple consumer. :)