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Depends on age and maturity. When given access to computing had discussions about finding things you may not understand or extreme weird things - and that he/s

Depends on age and maturity. When given access to computing had discussions about finding things you may not understand or extreme weird things - and that he/she can talk with us to discuss these things. We occasionally look at url history to this day. later showed how to use multiple sources to check for accurate info and showed how mayo clinic, webmd, a few others may offer different details. Showed articles from the news where people stalked and tried to kidnap based upon online chats. Did research on software - used family-link on google to block things until age 13 when family auto-destructs. Had discussions every few months about how people show edited bad things to get others to to bad things - story about the 'bernie sanders freedom sticks' - other challenges' where people got seriously hurt or killed. Talked about how sharing a picture could give you your exact location in multiple ways.. and if other details were known like time or whether or time school starts, how that process is easier. Decided Disney cirlce's dns poison on the router and via app on the phone is the best censoring we could find. Then found out we can't afford it. Found out other kid never uses youtube on his phone and cant use directions apps cuz the family link from google.. found out other kid tells that kid to install amino chat(?) and it iframes youtube (non-kids version) - they are hackers already.. Show article from yahoo news recently about the grooming kids via list of apps, getting them to send pics, then blackmail for more - depression and crap. Show them that anyone can voice change and appear to be a girl or kid using phone apps and even method to do so on playstation mic. Show how I can use a cam plugin to show "live cam" form my system, which is actually some random girl not me.. I have been considering getting some people together to build an app that semi-spies on kid's audio - and auto erases 90% of it.. and only sending a notice or save if it gets hits on certain keywords.. and make that toggle-able for various parents.. some might want sex keywords.. I think suicide related ones would be pretty universal.. but able to toggle others.. some parents no cuss words.. it's still various napkins of ideas.. something maybe with mycroft or similar that does not send audio to the cloud.. Keeping an ear out... my stepkid can and does tell me various things that are going in his digital world and I cam always accepting / listening, not getting angry - and I offer counter info on occasion.. The surprise I had when I found that a meme-thread-group was pushing extreme anti-feminist stuff... I did not show my emotions, I instead offered multiple other viewpoints and said perhaps reality is in the middle and there are extremes and edge cases here and there that do not represent the masses.. Looked into the open source disney-circle like thing - could not figure out how to make it work after studying a couple hours. There have been more things over things, I'll try to remember and add.

thrwaway69 7y ago
> I have been considering getting some people together to build an app that semi-spies on kid's audio - and auto erases 90% of it.. and only sending a notice or save if it gets hits on certain keywords.. and make that toggle-able for various parents.. some might want sex keywords.. I think suicide related ones would be pretty universal.. but able to toggle others.. some parents no cuss words.. it's still various napkins of ideas.. something maybe with mycroft or similar that does not send audio to the cloud. Please don't. That sounds like a terrible idea and shows lack of trust/faith of parents in their kids. No one is pushed to suicidal ideation without a significant disruption in life. Instead of focusing on when if it happens, prevention is always better. Try to engage with them regularly, be a nice friend and inspiration. You ought to be the role model and don't signal stigma or guilt which many people unintentionally do when topic of depression and suicidal ideation comes up. Though, I don't have any case for preteen kids. They may require additional surveillance but not from their phones, from you. You need to be there for them, available and reachable. Heads off for teaching them about tech and various implications of it early on! That's certainly good. One more thing, keep things normal. Stick it with realistic statistics. You don't want them to become paranoid. (I hope you already know that).
- stevenicr 7y ago
  I hear you on "Please don't. That sounds like a terrible idea and shows lack of trust/faith of parents in their kids. No one is pushed to suicidal ideation without a significant disruption in life." and it really is about the individual - the maturity and age and situations. That's reason I think IF something like this was to be used, it would have variable keywords to pay attention to.. I know some parents that would lose their mind if they caught kids cussing.. and even though that is not allowed in our situation, I would not turn on a toggle to flag it.. In this particular situation, we have had some run-ins where there has been some indications that make the need for listening closely for suicidal type things something that is likely a good idea.. this child was in a really bad place for the first 6 years of life, then major disruptions several times since. Have warnings from counselors to keep an eye out for certain indicators.. This in combination with physical and verbal bullying in multiple places and other things.. it's something we are trying to extend trust and space.. and keep an eye on things.. Like I said each situation is different, and I worry that people would use such tech in a way that really bothers me - I mean what if someone used it to determine sex keywords and they discovered an lgbt interest and went off the rails.. So it's tough to balance the thoughts on proper ways to consider use of such tech. But I focus mainly on non-judgement, come and talk about anything, I suggest things or just listen, don't get mad, show multiple options for handling things, learn to check multiple sources, all that. mom discovered porn url, flipped a bit - I calmed her down, it's not about punishing, it's about communication if needed and awareness when it's needed. "Stick it with realistic statistics. You don't want them to become paranoid" - yes indeed! we need to also talk about the good, the positives of online chats and relations... and then a middle ground of GF / BF you love and trust today could change one day and go the other direction.. but that is offline as much as online.. but be ware that if they got mad at you you wouldn't want them to have galleries of pics / videos that they won't delete if you ask them to and they no longer like you for example. so many things, and situations vary immensely!

thrwaway69 7y ago

> I have been considering getting some people together to build an app that semi-spies on kid's audio - and auto erases 90% of it.. and only sending a notice or save if it gets hits on certain keywords.. and make that toggle-able for various parents.. some might want sex keywords.. I think suicide related ones would be pretty universal.. but able to toggle others.. some parents no cuss words.. it's still various napkins of ideas.. something maybe with mycroft or similar that does not send audio to the cloud. Please don't. That sounds like a terrible idea and shows lack of trust/faith of parents in their kids. No one is pushed to suicidal ideation without a significant disruption in life. Instead of focusing on when if it happens, prevention is always better. Try to engage with them regularly, be a nice friend and inspiration. You ought to be the role model and don't signal stigma or guilt which many people unintentionally do when topic of depression and suicidal ideation comes up. Though, I don't have any case for preteen kids. They may require additional surveillance but not from their phones, from you. You need to be there for them, available and reachable. Heads off for teaching them about tech and various implications of it early on! That's certainly good. One more thing, keep things normal. Stick it with realistic statistics. You don't want them to become paranoid. (I hope you already know that).

stevenicr 7y ago
I hear you on "Please don't. That sounds like a terrible idea and shows lack of trust/faith of parents in their kids. No one is pushed to suicidal ideation without a significant disruption in life." and it really is about the individual - the maturity and age and situations. That's reason I think IF something like this was to be used, it would have variable keywords to pay attention to.. I know some parents that would lose their mind if they caught kids cussing.. and even though that is not allowed in our situation, I would not turn on a toggle to flag it.. In this particular situation, we have had some run-ins where there has been some indications that make the need for listening closely for suicidal type things something that is likely a good idea.. this child was in a really bad place for the first 6 years of life, then major disruptions several times since. Have warnings from counselors to keep an eye out for certain indicators.. This in combination with physical and verbal bullying in multiple places and other things.. it's something we are trying to extend trust and space.. and keep an eye on things.. Like I said each situation is different, and I worry that people would use such tech in a way that really bothers me - I mean what if someone used it to determine sex keywords and they discovered an lgbt interest and went off the rails.. So it's tough to balance the thoughts on proper ways to consider use of such tech. But I focus mainly on non-judgement, come and talk about anything, I suggest things or just listen, don't get mad, show multiple options for handling things, learn to check multiple sources, all that. mom discovered porn url, flipped a bit - I calmed her down, it's not about punishing, it's about communication if needed and awareness when it's needed. "Stick it with realistic statistics. You don't want them to become paranoid" - yes indeed! we need to also talk about the good, the positives of online chats and relations... and then a middle ground of GF / BF you love and trust today could change one day and go the other direction.. but that is offline as much as online.. but be ware that if they got mad at you you wouldn't want them to have galleries of pics / videos that they won't delete if you ask them to and they no longer like you for example. so many things, and situations vary immensely!